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Quellen:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9716838/bill-clinton-epstein-caribbean-island/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9466950/bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-sex-abuse/
Epstein Flight-Logs:
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Komplettes Transkript der Netflix-Doku (alle Folgen):
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[woman] Raise your hand, please.
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Do you swear the testimony
you’re about to give in this matter
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shall be the truth, whole truth,
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-and nothing but the truth?
-Yes, ma’am.
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[lawyer 1] Would you please state
your full name?
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It’s Jeffrey Edward Epstein,
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and my residence address is
6100 Red Hook Boulevard
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in Virgin Islands.
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[lawyer 1] Do you maintain
any other residences presently?
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I have vacation homes in New Mexico…
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uh… Palm Beach, New York and Paris.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever been convicted
of a crime?
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Yes.
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[lawyer 1] What was the crime
of which you were convicted?
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[stammering] Uh… Two, uh, counts.
One soliciting prostitution,
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and procuring a minor for prostitution.
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[lawyer 1] Did you in fact commit
those acts?
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I’m going to invoke
my Fifth Amendment right.
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[lawyer 1] How many times have you
solicited a minor for prostitution?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] How many times have you
solicited a minor for prostitution
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-in the State of Florida?
-Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution in the Virgin Islands?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] That is that you are invoking
your Fifth Amendment…
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-Yes.
-…right?
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Yes, Mr. [inaudible].
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New York?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New Mexico?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in Paris?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution anywhere at any time?
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Again, I’m going to assert my right.
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[lawyer 2] Let’s take a break.
We’ll go off the record.
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[lawyer 1] So you are terminating
the deposition at this time?
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[lawyer 2]
We are recessing the deposition.
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[unintelligible dialogue]
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[police siren wailing]
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I’m Vicky Ward.
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I’m an investigative journalist.
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I wrote a story about Jeffrey Epstein
for Vanity Fair back in 2003.
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I heard about Jeffrey Epstein, actually,
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long before
I was asked to write about him
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because he was known
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as this sort of Gatsby-like
figure of mystery in New York.
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He was this single guy,
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very wealthy, very good-looking,
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and people knew
that he had made a lot of money,
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but they didn’t know how.
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He claimed to be the money manager
for the uber-rich.
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People knew that he hung out
with a lot of famous people:
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Prince Andrew,
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Bill Clinton,
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a lot of famous academics,
the lawyer Alan Dershowitz,
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and that he was always surrounded
by very beautiful,
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often very young, women.
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I knew Ghislaine Maxwell,
his then supposed girlfriend.
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She was Oxford educated,
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very witty, very funny.
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She was a great connector for Jeffrey.
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Graydon Carter, who was then
the editor of Vanity Fair, said to me,
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„I’ve been hearing
about this guy, Jeffrey Epstein,
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for years, but no one knows
anything about him.“
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And so he gave me the story.
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It was a society piece.
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It wasn’t supposed to be
anything more than that.
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But right away…
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there was a red flag.
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One of my sources said,
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„I know a woman
who had a very unpleasant experience
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working with Jeffrey.
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And even worse,
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her younger sister was abused by him
when she was underage.
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Maybe they will talk to you.“
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And, obviously,
this took what had primarily been
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a business investigation
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in a whole…
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different… direction.
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[woman] I began painting
my senior year of college.
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I just dedicated myself
to painting constantly.
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I looked at it like
I was an Olympic athlete,
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and I was just working all the time,
you know, training.
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And then I was just giving myself
the fresh mind every time to the canvas.
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This is my graduate school,
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the New York Academy of Art.
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I graduated in 1995,
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and the night of our graduation,
actually, you usually have an art show,
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and Eileen Guggenheim used to be
the Dean of Students,
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and she would run it.
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At this show,
I decided to enter a triptych.
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So that’s three paintings,
and it was the Alice in Wonderland series.
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The show is phenomenal for me.
All three of my paintings sold right away.
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The first painting I sold for $14,000,
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and then the other two for $12,000 apiece.
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And I was really, obviously, excited,
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but Eileen then walked over to me,
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and Eileen’s literally like
twisting my arm,
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and she says,
„This couple right here is
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who is going to buy your art.
Do you hear me?“
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And I said, „Well, I’ve already sold it.“
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And she said, „That’s too bad.
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You’re gonna tell them that it’s not sold,
and you’re selling to this couple.
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They’re very important
benefactors of the Academy.“
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And Eileen says, „This is Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell, my dearest friends.
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And they’re just completely delighted,
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and you will be selling to them,
and they will get a discount.“
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And so I got 6,000
instead of 12,000 that night.
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And Jeffrey Epstein said, „Don’t worry.
We’ll make it worth your while.
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Don’t worry.“
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I didn’t see or hear from Jeffrey
for a couple of months.
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And one day the phone rang,
and he said, „I have a great job for you.“
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Jeffrey had just acquired this mansion
on 71st Street.
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He told me, „This is your new job.
You’re going to be managing the door,
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and you’re going to be managing
the people coming and going,
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the decorators, the visitors.“
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One day Jeffrey Epstein said,
„I would like to know
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how many siblings you have.“
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And I described that I had two sisters,
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and I told him
that my sister Annie was very intelligent
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and has hopes and dreams
for a career, probably in Ivy League.
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[Annie Farmer] I was 16 years old,
and it was my junior year in high school.
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Maria was living in Manhattan
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and had told us
that she’d gotten a job, a great job,
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working for this man, Jeffrey Epstein,
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and that he might be interested
in helping me in some way.
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He had proposed it would be helpful for me
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to go on some kind of international trip
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to Thailand and Vietnam
in order to build up my résumé
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and to be more appealing
for a competitive school.
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He agreed that he would pay for that trip.
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At the time, it was very…
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[laughing] It seemed very expensive,
you know, so…
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um… I was just feeling
really grateful for that.
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The trip was supposed to be
that summer in July,
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and so he suggested that I come out
to meet him and Ghislaine Maxwell
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at their ranch in New Mexico.
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My mom’s understanding
of what that trip would be was
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a chance for me to meet
some other students
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who would also be going
on similar trips.
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But when I got there, I realized I was
the only one there staying with them.
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They showed me around the property.
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It was part of building up
this sense of, like, look at who I am,
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look at all that I have,
be impressed by me.
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Ghislaine was very interested in whether
I had ever had a massage before,
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like a professional massage,
and I had not.
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It was really presented as, like,
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you’re so lucky that you get to do this,
to, you know, get this massage.
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She told me to undress,
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and there was a table there
with a sheet on it.
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You know, a portion of it was
just pretty typical, um…
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but there was a time
when she had me lay on my back,
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and she, you know, pulled the sheet down
so that my breasts were exposed.
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Because of the layout of the house
and the doors that were open,
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I knew that Epstein could see me.
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I think the way
that she rubbed my chest in, you know,
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in the massage also was inappropriate.
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The scariest moment of the weekend was
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when he came into my bedroom
in the morning
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and said that he would like to cuddle.
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He crawled into bed with me.
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And, um… you know, was touching me,
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and I don’t remember
how long that lasted
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because I was sort of checking out a bit.
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But I remember making an excuse
like I needed to go to the bathroom.
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Got out of bed,
and, like, went into the bathroom,
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and kind of shut the door, and was…
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you know, very scared
of what was going on.
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And afterwards, I just avoided it.
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I didn’t tell my closest friends,
and I didn’t tell Maria and my family,
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and I just thought,
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„I’m going to focus
on this trip this summer.“
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And I went to Thailand and Vietnam.
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[Maria Farmer] Annie was on this program
in Thailand,
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and I received a call from Jeffrey saying
that we want to help you with your career.
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So I was asked to go do
an artist-in-residency.
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I was to go to Ohio,
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and I would be living
in this 26,000 square foot home
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behind Les Wexner’s house.
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When I asked Jeffrey who Les Wexner was,
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he said, „He is my client
and my very good friend,
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who happens to be a billionaire,
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and he would do anything for me.“
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So I drove a Penske truck to Ohio
because I took all of my art supplies.
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I set up shop,
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and I started painting.
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These paintings were paintings
about puberty,
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girls partially nude,
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voyeuristic kind of private moments,
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but not sexual.
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My process is that I take photographs,
and I work from them.
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And I was using
my two sisters as the models.
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So, Jeffrey and Ghislaine
came to visit one day.
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[insects buzzing]
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[Maria] That night,
Ghislaine came and got me and said,
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„Jeffrey would like to have
his feet rubbed.“
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And my stomach sank.
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I felt like, „Gosh, I don’t want them
to think I’m not grateful,
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but this is so inappropriate,“ you know?
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And so I… [groans] rubbed his feet
for a little while…
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and he said, „Come up here.“
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Then he patted over here
for me to sit next to him.
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Then Ghislaine sat down
on the other side of me.
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Jeffrey immediately was doing this.
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Like, it was really mechanical
and bizarre,
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and Ghislaine then was doing this on me.
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And then they were touching me
in different ways on my chest.
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It didn’t feel right at all,
and I didn’t like it.
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I kind of had like, you know, some tears,
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and she goes, „Shh, it’s gonna be okay.“
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And she was like really
with her other hand, like,
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rubbing on my hand
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and telling me
that it was going to be okay.
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I had escaped my body at that point.
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I wasn’t really in that moment at all.
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And at some point,
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I was able to like
catapult my body out of that bed.
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I went to my room,
and I barricaded my door.
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I put a piece of furniture against it.
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Just kind of huddled up in that room
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until Jeffrey and Ghislaine left
that morning.
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When I woke up, I went and checked to see
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if my photographs of my sisters
were there,
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and realized
three photographs had been stolen.
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And I was freaking out.
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So, I called Annie.
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[Annie] My sister confronted me about
whether anything had happened to me
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when I was at the ranch.
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I told her things that had made me
really uncomfortable had happened,
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but I really don’t want to talk about it.
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[Maria] I said, „Listen, you’re never
going to have to deal with them again.
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Do not worry.
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I am so sorry you were exposed to this.“
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It was just a very uncomfortable feeling
to know that he had these photos of us,
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and…
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in particular of my younger sister
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because she was just 12
when those photos were taken.
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And…
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it was just so…
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um…
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It was just upsetting to know
that he had those photos,
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and to never know what happened to them
or how he was using them.
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He could be using them
to sexually please himself.
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[Maria] So the next day,
Jeffrey called me,
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and he tried to pretend like
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it was a really fun time he’d had
the night before,
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and he tried
to kind of play it off like that.
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And I said, „That wasn’t fun for me.“
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And then he offered to give me
basically what I wanted
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to not make a stink about everything,
just, „What do you want?“
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Like, „How much money do you want?
What can I do for you?“
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Um…
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And I s… I didn’t say anything.
I hung up on him.
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When I got back to New York City,
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I told the NYPD
everything that had happened.
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I told them I’d been assaulted.
And they said,
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„It’s just not in our jurisdiction.
Like, we have nothing to do with this.
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These things happened in Ohio,
New Mexico.
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You’re gonna have to call the FBI.“
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When I called the FBI,
I laid it out very specifically.
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I said, „I’m reporting these people:
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Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell.“
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I told them everything,
and I could tell that he believed me.
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So, I really had believed
that he was going to take care of this.
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And then we just actually
did not hear back.
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[Vicky Ward] Because these sisters
had been ignored for so long,
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they were very, very frightened
of going on the record,
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speaking up about
what Jeffrey would do to them.
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Part of them, understandably,
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just thought they could never fight
against a man of his power.
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We proceed,
very reluctantly after a family decision,
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um… that we’re going to do this thing.
We’re going to talk about this.
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[Ward] I spoke to the younger sister,
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who was molested by him
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and lived in fear.
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[Annie] So, after we had presented
our story to Vicky,
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then Vanity Fair had to take this account
to Epstein
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to essentially fact-check it and get
his perspective and his side of things.
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And when they did that,
he came back with his own story,
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which was we were in fact
women that were infatuated with him.
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And that’s what this was coming out of.
It was,
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you know,
revenge for that being unrequited.
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[Ward] He would say,
„Well, Vicky, if I don’t like this piece,
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it’s going to be bad for you
and your family.“
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And I was newly pregnant with twins.
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He said, „Where are you giving birth?“
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He followed that up with,
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„I know all the doctors
in all the hospitals,
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so it doesn’t matter.
If you don’t tell me, I’ll find out.
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If I don’t like this piece,
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I’m going to have a witch doctor
place a curse on your unborn children.“
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He was beginning to spook me out,
and these are just conversations.
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So I could only imagine
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how the women must have felt.
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I got a phone call from Graydon.
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He was pretty spooked because he’d found
a severed cat head in his garden.
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He also found a bullet on his doorstep.
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And then suddenly, I was told by my editor
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that the girls
were being taken out of the story.
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I was horrified. I said,
„Why? They’ve been so brave.
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They’ve laid so much on the line. Why?“
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And the message came back,
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„Well, he’s obviously sensitive
about the girls. That’s a sore point.“
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I’ll never forget
Graydon Carter saying to me,
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„I believe Jeffrey Epstein.“
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[Annie] I remember buying
the copy of Vanity Fair
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and seeing the spread, you know,
„The Talented Mr. Epstein.“
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And it said nothing
about any of his interest in girls.
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I think that Vanity Fair basically
got bought off by Jeffrey.
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The excuse was,
„Well, it’s a business story.“
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It was a business story,
but, just like life,
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the story was more complicated,
far more complicated.
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I cried in public. [laughs]
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Um…
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You know,
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so much work,
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so much bravery,
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and for what?
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[Annie] It seemed it was more evidence
of the fact that he was powerful,
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and he could fix whatever thing came up.
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[Ward]
Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate story
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of the abuse of power and money.
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But, of course, what none of us knew was
that the girls who I’d spoken to
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were only the tip…
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of the iceberg.
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And it actually got even worse in Florida.
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[sinister music]
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[man 1] Jeffrey Epstein bought
his Palm Beach mansion in 1990.
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Epstein was new money.
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He didn’t have generations
of growing up there,
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sailing in the Intracoastal Waterway…
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but he had tons of new money.
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And if you have enough money,
you can buy your way in to any society.
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There are things that have been true
about Palm Beach since I was a kid.
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Some of the protectiveness,
some of the clannishness…
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It’s definitely a very insular world.
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There is almost a hermetic seal around it.
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It’s not just
an extremely wealthy zip code.
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It’s an island.
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And I think that…
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it almost has a psychological effect
on the very wealthy people who move there,
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or who have grown up there,
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or whose fathers or grandfathers
bought estates there,
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because there’s a sense of security,
and safety, and privacy,
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and they like it that way.
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[man 2] Epstein and I
essentially were neighbors.
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And why would
Jeffrey Epstein… come here?
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You know, here it is.
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I mean, you’re on the ocean.
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It’s quiet and secluded.
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I came down here in 2007,
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and back then, there was very little known
about Jeffrey Epstein.
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What people knew about him was
that he was stunningly rich.
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The guy was living a life
that most people dream about.
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He had a 15 to 20 million dollar house
here in Palm Beach.
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He had one of the largest townhouses
in New York City,
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a massive apartment in Paris,
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his own private island in the Caribbean,
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a sprawling ranch in New Mexico,
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a helicopter,
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two airplanes, one a 727.
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[airplane engine roaring]
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That’s the commercial side of the airport
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there where all the JetBlue
and everyone else lands.
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Butthe west side of the airport is
where all the private jets are.
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And that’s where Jeffrey parked his jets.
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I was a reporter here for 25 years.
I also lived over in Palm Beach.
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Covered the Epstein case extensively.
This guy was a bit of a ghost down here.
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Nobody really saw him. Nobody knew him.
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In the ’80s,
he hit it out of the ballpark.
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A lot of powerful men liked him
and trusted him to handle his money.
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Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,
they were both wealthy guys from New York,
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and they both ended up living a mile apart
along billionaire’s row in Palm Beach.
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They knew each other.
Epstein frequented Mar-a-Lago for a time.
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There’s now a widely circulated quote
from Donald Trump,
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which he probably would like
to reel back in,
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„I’ve known Jeff for 15 years.
Terrific guy.
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It is even said that he likes
beautiful women as much as I do,
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and many of them are on the younger side.“
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[Carl Hiaasen] Palm Beach is
a very small town.
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It’s almost impossible to conceive
living there and moving in that world
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and not hearing rumors about Epstein
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or not being aware of something odd
going on at Jeff’s place.
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[engine starting]
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I’m Michael Reiter.
I’ve been here 38 years,
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on the Palm Beach Police Department
for 28,
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and I was Police Chief in Palm Beach
from 2001 through 2009.
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I first met Jeffrey Epstein
somewhere around 2001.
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Epstein visited me in my office
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to talk about making a donation
of equipment to the police department,
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which was nearly $100,000.
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It was a brief visit.
It was just a little bit of chit-chat.
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My impression was that he was
just a wealthy, very private guy.
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Nearly two years later,
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we received reports from his neighbors
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that there was
a large number of young women
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going to and from his residence.
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We thought, „That’s suspicious.“
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We sent personnel to stop them
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and interview them.
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They were all adults,
the three or four that we talked to,
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and they said that they were simply doing
office work for Mr. Epstein.
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Since they were all adults,
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there didn’t seem to be
any further police interest.
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Then in 2005,
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the parent of a young girl
called the police station.
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[dial tone]
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00:25:13,053 –> 00:25:15,055
[dialing numbers]
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[telephone ringing]
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-[Pagan] Hello?
-[stepmother] Hi, how are you?
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[Pagan] I’m good. I’m returning your call,
I apologize. I don’t know what for.
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[stepmother] It’s okay.
It was an incident that occurred
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maybe three and a half weeks ago
with one of my stepdaughters.
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00:25:28,986 –> 00:25:33,407
One day at school, she got into a fight,
and she had over $300 on her.
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So after asking her and asking her
what was going on,
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I found out that it ended up being that
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they went to Palm Beach
to a gentleman’s house.
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00:25:41,749 –> 00:25:44,918
And they start off
by giving this gentleman a massage.
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And he pays them.
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If he likes them
and thinks that they’re pretty enough,
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-he keeps them around to do other things.
-[Pagan] Okay.
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[stepmother] So I wasn’t quite sure
if there was an investigation
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or if you guys had any word–
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[Pagan] Well, this is the first
I’m hearing of it.
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-[stepmother] Okay.
-[Pagan] I’ll need some more information.
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00:26:01,101 –> 00:26:03,103
Would your stepdaughter
be willing to come in
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to provide me with a statement?
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00:26:06,190 –> 00:26:07,733
[Michael Reiter] When a juvenile reports
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that they have been a victim
of a sex crime to the police department,
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we immediately take that very seriously.
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The parent was asked to bring the victim
into the police station.
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A detective conducted an interview.
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Immediately upon, uh…
that victim’s report to us,
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00:26:23,373 –> 00:26:26,418
which we found very credible,
we launched an investigation.
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00:26:28,295 –> 00:26:31,715
The very first victim was
about 14 years old at that time.
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00:26:33,092 –> 00:26:37,012
We were able, from the interview,
to figure out exactly where the house was.
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From the description the victim provided,
it was clear that it was Mr. Epstein.
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The case was assigned
to our special investigations unit
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partly because of the nature of the crime,
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and partly because Mr. Epstein was
a powerful, influential person.
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00:26:57,032 –> 00:26:59,576
Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator of the case.
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Unfortunately, Joe Recarey passed away
a few years ago,
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but at the time, he believed
there were other victims.
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00:27:07,084 –> 00:27:09,086
So he began contacting them
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00:27:09,461 –> 00:27:11,380
and listening to their stories.
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[Recarey] I appreciate you coming down
to talk to me.
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00:27:15,217 –> 00:27:17,136
-You’re not in any trouble.
-[Stephanie] Okay.
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00:27:17,219 –> 00:27:19,179
[Recarey] I want to put that out there
right now.
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00:27:19,680 –> 00:27:22,141
-How did you meet Mr. Epstein?
-[Stephanie] Through a friend.
451
00:27:22,516 –> 00:27:24,601
[Joyce] It was like two years ago or so.
452
00:27:24,685 –> 00:27:27,020
[Recarey] About two years ago?
That’s when you first met him?
453
00:27:27,104 –> 00:27:27,938
[Joyce] Yeah. Yeah.
454
00:27:28,564 –> 00:27:30,440
-[Recarey] You were 17 then?
-[Sharon] Mm-hmm.
455
00:27:30,524 –> 00:27:33,360
[Recarey] What is it that you were told
you would have to do?
456
00:27:33,944 –> 00:27:35,863
-[Sharon] Give him a massage.
-[Recarey] Okay.
457
00:27:36,905 –> 00:27:40,033
[Recarey] During the massage,
did he… um…
458
00:27:41,368 –> 00:27:43,537
ask you to remove your pants or…
459
00:27:45,247 –> 00:27:46,081
[Heather] Yes.
460
00:27:47,124 –> 00:27:50,294
[Reiter] Every victim told
essentially the same story.
461
00:27:50,752 –> 00:27:53,130
They thought
that they would give him a massage.
462
00:27:53,213 –> 00:27:55,090
That’s what most of them were told.
463
00:27:55,507 –> 00:27:59,011
That’s what lured them there
for a small amount of money.
464
00:27:59,094 –> 00:28:02,055
[Recarey] What else happened
when you were providing the massage?
465
00:28:02,139 –> 00:28:05,142
[Susan] He took the towel off,
and he started pleasing himself,
466
00:28:05,225 –> 00:28:07,060
which I was very uncomfortable with.
467
00:28:07,144 –> 00:28:10,189
-I wanted to leave right when I got there.
-[Recarey] Okay.
468
00:28:12,357 –> 00:28:16,737
[Reiter] Our biggest concern was
that the victimization not to continue.
469
00:28:17,237 –> 00:28:19,865
That’s why
we started surveillance right away.
470
00:28:20,949 –> 00:28:22,576
We surveilled the airport…
471
00:28:22,659 –> 00:28:24,203
[camera shutter clicking]
472
00:28:25,204 –> 00:28:26,121
[Reiter] …the house.
473
00:28:26,205 –> 00:28:27,915
[camera shutter clicking]
474
00:28:27,998 –> 00:28:30,167
[Reiter] As we found additional victims,
475
00:28:30,250 –> 00:28:32,085
one victim would tell us about others,
476
00:28:32,169 –> 00:28:37,132
those others would tell us about others,
and it began to multiply geometrically.
477
00:28:38,592 –> 00:28:41,553
[Recarey] Okay. First of all,
I know this is hard on you, okay?
478
00:28:42,387 –> 00:28:43,931
Just take a deep breath.
479
00:28:44,014 –> 00:28:45,891
[Heather sighs] I’m trying. It’s just…
480
00:28:45,974 –> 00:28:49,311
I wasn’t aware that I was going to be
alone with him for that ten minutes.
481
00:28:49,394 –> 00:28:50,896
And I thought I was gonna die.
482
00:28:52,147 –> 00:28:54,024
[Recarey] Did you have intercourse
with him?
483
00:28:54,566 –> 00:28:56,109
-[Susan quietly] Yes.
–[Recarey] Okay.
484
00:28:57,778 –> 00:28:59,112
[Reiter]
After two or three months,
485
00:28:59,196 –> 00:29:02,908
we feared that this involved
a really large number of victims.
486
00:29:08,622 –> 00:29:11,708
[Recarey] Can you raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth,
487
00:29:11,792 –> 00:29:13,418
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
488
00:29:13,502 –> 00:29:15,170
-so help you God?
-[Michelle Licata] I do.
489
00:29:15,254 –> 00:29:18,340
-[Recarey] State your name for the record.
-Michelle Licata.
490
00:29:20,092 –> 00:29:23,387
I found the calendar
from December 2004…
491
00:29:23,845 –> 00:29:26,223
the month that I met Jeffrey Epstein.
492
00:29:26,306 –> 00:29:30,143
I wrote down my first party
that I’d ever been to,
493
00:29:30,227 –> 00:29:33,689
talked to a boy
‚til three o’clock in the morning.
494
00:29:33,772 –> 00:29:37,609
And then right before Christmas,
that’s the weekend that everything changed
495
00:29:37,693 –> 00:29:38,610
in my entire life.
496
00:29:41,822 –> 00:29:43,323
[Recarey] All right. In your own words,
497
00:29:43,407 –> 00:29:46,034
tell me exactly
how you were introduced to this gentleman
498
00:29:46,118 –> 00:29:48,829
by the name of Jeffrey
in, uh… Palm Beach.
499
00:29:48,912 –> 00:29:52,040
[Licata] Um… My friend told me
in class that…
500
00:29:52,749 –> 00:29:55,794
she could find a way of making money
for Christmas.
501
00:29:56,628 –> 00:29:58,547
I didn’t really know
what she was talking about,
502
00:29:58,630 –> 00:29:59,798
but I was like, „Okay.“
503
00:30:02,217 –> 00:30:03,635
[Licata] I was a good kid.
504
00:30:03,719 –> 00:30:06,722
I always thought
that my life was just ordinary.
505
00:30:07,139 –> 00:30:09,558
I had seven kids in my family.
506
00:30:10,058 –> 00:30:12,144
-[male teacher] Michelle Licata.
-[applause]
507
00:30:12,227 –> 00:30:14,646
[Licata] I was really good in school.
508
00:30:15,772 –> 00:30:17,107
I had a lot of friends.
509
00:30:17,190 –> 00:30:18,525
[cheering]
510
00:30:18,608 –> 00:30:20,193
[Licata] In cheerleading,
511
00:30:20,694 –> 00:30:22,821
I got the Spirit Award.
512
00:30:23,363 –> 00:30:25,365
[crowd cheering]
513
00:30:26,158 –> 00:30:28,535
[Licata] Just a normal teenage girl.
514
00:30:28,994 –> 00:30:30,495
[woman] And what are we gonna do?
515
00:30:30,704 –> 00:30:31,997
We’re gonna shop!
516
00:30:32,331 –> 00:30:33,290
[woman laughing]
517
00:30:34,333 –> 00:30:38,128
[Licata] One day, this girl wrote me
a note in class that said,
518
00:30:38,211 –> 00:30:42,341
„Do you want to make some extra money
massaging old guys?“
519
00:30:42,424 –> 00:30:45,594
And I was like,
„Okay, that seems weird. But okay.“
520
00:30:46,928 –> 00:30:49,931
[Licata] She said to just go
to this old guy’s house
521
00:30:50,223 –> 00:30:54,061
and just massage him for 45 minutes,
and you’ll get like $200.
522
00:30:56,021 –> 00:30:58,190
-[Recarey] Okay. How old were you?
-[Licata] Sixteen.
523
00:30:58,648 –> 00:30:59,483
[Recarey] Okay.
524
00:31:02,027 –> 00:31:05,489
[Licata] We’re driving probably
like a good 45-minute ride.
525
00:31:06,198 –> 00:31:11,161
We pulled into a big,
expensive-looking mansion.
526
00:31:12,079 –> 00:31:14,206
Before we got out of the car, she said,
527
00:31:14,289 –> 00:31:18,085
„Okay, so if anybody asks,
uh, you’re over the age of 18,
528
00:31:18,168 –> 00:31:21,505
but I don’t think anybody is going to ask,
just if they do.“
529
00:31:25,467 –> 00:31:28,428
I was only there
for like maybe a minute or two,
530
00:31:28,512 –> 00:31:29,846
and then he walked in.
531
00:31:31,139 –> 00:31:33,141
He laid down on his stomach.
532
00:31:33,517 –> 00:31:35,936
He said,
„Okay, there’s some lotions over there
533
00:31:36,019 –> 00:31:40,107
if you wanted to start massaging my feet
and my legs.“
534
00:31:40,190 –> 00:31:45,946
He flipped over, and he was talking to me
about, uh, the way that I looked.
535
00:31:46,321 –> 00:31:48,865
He was telling me how beautiful I was.
536
00:31:49,699 –> 00:31:53,412
I never thought
I was the pretty girl in high school.
537
00:31:53,995 –> 00:31:55,622
I had braces,
538
00:31:55,705 –> 00:32:00,085
and for somebody to be
pointing the spotlight at me,
539
00:32:00,210 –> 00:32:02,546
it was like,
„Okay, he’s giving me compliments.
540
00:32:02,629 –> 00:32:04,840
I never thought of myself that way.“
541
00:32:07,759 –> 00:32:09,344
And then he kind of was like…
542
00:32:10,470 –> 00:32:14,224
grabbing my hip
and kind of like maneuvering it
543
00:32:14,307 –> 00:32:16,059
so that he could look at me.
544
00:32:16,560 –> 00:32:20,856
He was telling me to take off
my shirt and pants.
545
00:32:21,273 –> 00:32:23,859
He’s like,
„You can get down into your underwear.“
546
00:32:24,317 –> 00:32:26,945
You know, you start thinking, „Okay. So…
547
00:32:27,529 –> 00:32:29,489
if I try to leave or be like,
548
00:32:29,906 –> 00:32:33,452
‚Uh, no, we’re not going to do this,‘
you know…
549
00:32:34,119 –> 00:32:35,328
how would you leave?
550
00:32:35,412 –> 00:32:38,290
Like, is there a gun hidden somewhere,
551
00:32:38,373 –> 00:32:39,958
like, he was going to pull out?“
552
00:32:42,043 –> 00:32:44,671
As a young girl, you just do…
553
00:32:44,754 –> 00:32:49,009
Because he’s an adult,
you just do what someone asks you to do.
554
00:32:50,343 –> 00:32:54,264
[Licata] And then he sort of grabbed
my thighs, and he was…
555
00:32:55,307 –> 00:32:57,517
jacking himself off at the same time.
556
00:32:59,478 –> 00:33:02,606
He just tried, like,
rubbing me down there.
557
00:33:03,398 –> 00:33:04,232
[Recarey] Okay.
558
00:33:06,067 –> 00:33:07,569
[inhales deeply] And…
559
00:33:08,361 –> 00:33:13,366
[stammering] th… that was where
I started freaking out completely.
560
00:33:13,450 –> 00:33:16,244
I was like…
[sighing] „Okay, okay…
561
00:33:16,328 –> 00:33:18,330
Can we just get this over with?
562
00:33:18,788 –> 00:33:22,918
This is just so unreal.
This is not happening.“
563
00:33:23,001 –> 00:33:27,005
He just looked like a scary sicko
564
00:33:27,506 –> 00:33:28,965
in my mind, like…
565
00:33:31,176 –> 00:33:32,928
He just looked like… [stammers]
566
00:33:33,637 –> 00:33:37,766
[stammering] I just still have
the vision of his face.
567
00:33:39,100 –> 00:33:43,313
[Licata] I backed away, and I said,
„Well, I don’t know if I should do that.“
568
00:33:43,939 –> 00:33:45,065
And I freaked.
569
00:33:45,440 –> 00:33:47,275
I was very hesitant and so scared.
570
00:33:48,818 –> 00:33:51,238
[Recarey] As I told you before
and I explained to your mom,
571
00:33:51,321 –> 00:33:53,240
what he did was wrong, okay?
572
00:33:54,491 –> 00:33:56,034
-[Licata] Okay.
-[Recarey] Um…
573
00:33:57,452 –> 00:34:00,455
[Recarey] I want to reassure you
on that, okay?
574
00:34:05,961 –> 00:34:07,295
[Licata] When he was done,
575
00:34:07,379 –> 00:34:12,217
he wrapped himself up in a towel,
and he said, „There’s 200 for you.
576
00:34:12,300 –> 00:34:14,344
I would really like to see you again.“
577
00:34:14,427 –> 00:34:15,887
And I was like… [inhales deeply]
578
00:34:15,971 –> 00:34:18,640
„Okay, okay.“
In the back of my mind, I was like,
579
00:34:18,723 –> 00:34:23,186
„I am not ever coming back here
ever again.“
580
00:34:23,270 –> 00:34:25,313
And I just went downstairs,
581
00:34:25,689 –> 00:34:29,359
and I felt so used.
582
00:34:29,442 –> 00:34:35,365
I felt so used, like it was…
I was just like this dirty person.
583
00:34:37,576 –> 00:34:40,829
Before Epstein, I was…
584
00:34:42,122 –> 00:34:43,039
[exhales shakily]
585
00:34:44,249 –> 00:34:45,584
[voice breaking] I was…
586
00:34:48,753 –> 00:34:49,588
I was…
587
00:34:50,672 –> 00:34:52,591
[sobbing] something else.
588
00:35:00,724 –> 00:35:03,310
The way I saw myself… [inhales sharply]
589
00:35:03,393 –> 00:35:04,978
a long time ago…
590
00:35:05,729 –> 00:35:07,105
[sobbing] …I was, like…
591
00:35:07,188 –> 00:35:08,481
like this flower.
592
00:35:10,942 –> 00:35:14,321
A flower that was, like, opening up.
593
00:35:15,363 –> 00:35:18,241
And afterwards, it was…
594
00:35:18,325 –> 00:35:21,703
[inhales sharply] …like somebody just…
595
00:35:22,829 –> 00:35:24,956
picked up that flower… [sniffles]
596
00:35:25,165 –> 00:35:30,337
…plucked it from its roots,
and stomped on it and smashed it.
597
00:35:32,589 –> 00:35:33,423
[sniffles]
598
00:35:34,466 –> 00:35:36,134
[Recarey] I know this
is difficult for you,
599
00:35:36,217 –> 00:35:39,012
and I know it was difficult for you
to talk to me today.
600
00:35:39,888 –> 00:35:42,474
Is there anything else you’d like to add
to this statement?
601
00:35:42,557 –> 00:35:43,391
[Licata] No.
602
00:35:43,975 –> 00:35:45,810
[Recarey] Okay.
Then I conclude this statement.
603
00:35:45,894 –> 00:35:48,355
The time on my watch is 5:25 p.m.
604
00:35:48,855 –> 00:35:50,315
[tape player clicks]
605
00:35:55,528 –> 00:35:58,365
[sinister music]
606
00:35:58,448 –> 00:36:00,909
[Hiaasen] Many of the girls
were brought across the bridge
607
00:36:00,992 –> 00:36:03,411
from the mainland,
which is West Palm Beach.
608
00:36:03,828 –> 00:36:06,748
And it’s a whole different world
when you cross the bridges.
609
00:36:09,542 –> 00:36:11,461
Parts of West Palm Beach are like
610
00:36:11,544 –> 00:36:14,422
a lot of other communities along
the Gold Coast where it’s working class.
611
00:36:15,340 –> 00:36:17,592
It’s not necessarily high end at all.
612
00:36:19,094 –> 00:36:20,095
It’s a real world.
613
00:36:20,553 –> 00:36:24,516
To think what it must have been like
to come from modest means,
614
00:36:24,599 –> 00:36:27,435
and in some cases
broken homes, troubled homes.
615
00:36:28,770 –> 00:36:30,855
Palm Beach is like Oz.
616
00:36:30,939 –> 00:36:34,901
[chuckling] If you live in West Palm,
that’s just not a world you experience.
617
00:36:40,740 –> 00:36:44,327
My name is Shawna Rivera.
This is the house that I grew up in.
618
00:36:47,122 –> 00:36:49,290
This is where usually
we would sit out here.
619
00:36:49,374 –> 00:36:52,544
We had a big hammock on the patio.
620
00:36:53,128 –> 00:36:54,838
This room was my room.
621
00:36:55,547 –> 00:37:00,468
The time that I first met Jeff,
my girlfriend came over here to, um…
622
00:37:01,261 –> 00:37:03,805
to take me with her to Jeff’s, right?
623
00:37:04,222 –> 00:37:06,391
Like right after this street here…
624
00:37:07,267 –> 00:37:10,311
there’s a trailer park, there’s a canal
and then there’s a trailer park,
625
00:37:10,395 –> 00:37:12,522
and so she walked over here…
626
00:37:13,148 –> 00:37:14,816
and convinced me to go with her.
627
00:37:17,902 –> 00:37:19,821
I didn’t have a good childhood.
628
00:37:21,448 –> 00:37:24,868
I was a runaway for two years.
629
00:37:26,786 –> 00:37:30,039
My mom used drugs pretty heavily
most of my life.
630
00:37:30,957 –> 00:37:33,418
My dad went to prison when I was three.
631
00:37:34,711 –> 00:37:37,756
And when I was ten,
my dad got out of prison.
632
00:37:38,798 –> 00:37:43,136
At some point, my dad had a girlfriend…
633
00:37:43,928 –> 00:37:45,263
who had some kids,
634
00:37:45,346 –> 00:37:49,184
and the kids had clearly been abused
prior to this.
635
00:37:49,684 –> 00:37:55,440
And I would say it was like a week or so
after my 12th birthday,
636
00:37:55,523 –> 00:38:00,028
my dad and his girlfriend beat her son,
her eight-year-old son, to death…
637
00:38:00,111 –> 00:38:01,738
[inhales deeply] Um…
638
00:38:01,821 –> 00:38:02,822
In front of me.
639
00:38:03,656 –> 00:38:06,326
And so I, um…
640
00:38:07,035 –> 00:38:09,037
[clears throat] …ran away from home.
641
00:38:10,288 –> 00:38:12,582
I lived in, like, shelter homes.
642
00:38:13,374 –> 00:38:16,419
Finally, my grandma
was able to get custody of me.
643
00:38:17,420 –> 00:38:20,548
I was 14 years old
when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
644
00:38:24,302 –> 00:38:28,264
My girlfriend, she’s like,
„Shawna, I’m going to this guy’s house.
645
00:38:28,765 –> 00:38:33,144
I can’t go by myself. I just can’t do it.
I just need you to come with me.“
646
00:38:33,228 –> 00:38:35,355
I was just like, „All right. Fine.“
647
00:38:36,564 –> 00:38:40,068
I didn’t know what was going to happen.
I just went along with it.
648
00:38:43,196 –> 00:38:47,659
Once you get over the bridge
into Palm Beach, you see yachts
649
00:38:47,742 –> 00:38:49,786
and all these huge mansions.
650
00:38:51,204 –> 00:38:52,038
This is like
651
00:38:52,705 –> 00:38:55,250
not something I’m familiar with.
652
00:38:58,044 –> 00:39:01,714
We walk into the back,
and there’s this girl.
653
00:39:01,881 –> 00:39:02,841
She’s young
654
00:39:03,383 –> 00:39:05,468
with an accent. I don’t know her.
655
00:39:05,552 –> 00:39:08,721
She’s familiar with my friend.
„Hi. Hi. Hi.“
656
00:39:10,181 –> 00:39:11,891
We walk into this room,
657
00:39:12,308 –> 00:39:13,810
and this dude walked in.
658
00:39:14,435 –> 00:39:16,729
I remember thinking he was kind of rude.
659
00:39:16,896 –> 00:39:18,231
He says, „Oh, hey. Hi.“
660
00:39:18,314 –> 00:39:19,482
He’s, like, on the phone,
661
00:39:20,149 –> 00:39:21,568
and he, like, lays down.
662
00:39:22,151 –> 00:39:26,197
So then my girlfriend tells me,
„We’re just going to give him a massage.“
663
00:39:26,906 –> 00:39:30,326
And she said, „Oh, well,
we have to take our clothes off.“
664
00:39:31,828 –> 00:39:32,787
And I’m like…
665
00:39:34,873 –> 00:39:36,332
„I have to take my clothes off?“
666
00:39:36,416 –> 00:39:38,835
And she says, „Yeah, we have… We both…
667
00:39:39,085 –> 00:39:41,754
We both have to take our clothes off.
All of them.“
668
00:39:43,298 –> 00:39:45,884
So you have me
and my 14-year-old girlfriend
669
00:39:45,967 –> 00:39:49,470
totally naked,
and I’m giving this old man a massage.
670
00:39:50,847 –> 00:39:53,474
But then my girlfriend says,
„Well, I’m going to go.“
671
00:39:53,808 –> 00:39:57,729
And I’m like, „What the fuck are you doing
leaving me here?“ Like, „Why?“
672
00:39:57,812 –> 00:40:00,189
I couldn’t believe
she was walking out of there.
673
00:40:01,941 –> 00:40:04,819
Then this guy,
he asked me how old I was…
674
00:40:05,612 –> 00:40:09,866
and I remember telling him
that I was 15 years old,
675
00:40:09,949 –> 00:40:12,827
and I was actually 14 years old.
676
00:40:13,786 –> 00:40:15,330
That didn’t scare him.
677
00:40:15,413 –> 00:40:19,417
[inhales deeply] It was kind of, like,
„Oh, okay. You’re 15. Okay.“
678
00:40:20,084 –> 00:40:22,086
Then he turned over… [sniffles]
679
00:40:22,170 –> 00:40:25,673
…and he wanted me to rub the lotion
680
00:40:25,757 –> 00:40:29,427
that we were using,
like, all over his chest. [sniffles]
681
00:40:29,510 –> 00:40:32,555
And he told me to just grab his nipples
682
00:40:32,847 –> 00:40:36,726
and squeeze and pinch as hard as I could.
683
00:40:36,809 –> 00:40:37,644
[sniffles]
684
00:40:37,727 –> 00:40:39,062
And I just, like,
685
00:40:39,145 –> 00:40:41,814
I just remember standing there
and just being, like…
686
00:40:42,357 –> 00:40:45,276
„What is going on? This is so weird.“
687
00:40:45,360 –> 00:40:49,614
I just couldn’t wrap my head around it.
I was like, „What the fuck is this?“
688
00:40:50,031 –> 00:40:51,783
I’m 14 years old.
689
00:40:52,492 –> 00:40:54,035
I’m a virgin.
690
00:40:56,079 –> 00:40:58,831
It just went on like that
for a couple of minutes,
691
00:40:58,915 –> 00:41:00,083
and he finished…
692
00:41:01,000 –> 00:41:03,086
and there was money sitting there.
693
00:41:03,169 –> 00:41:05,380
He told me to go ahead
and pick up the money.
694
00:41:05,463 –> 00:41:08,091
So I just got dressed,
and I walked out and left.
695
00:41:08,967 –> 00:41:10,218
I was so embarrassed.
696
00:41:10,593 –> 00:41:14,222
I didn’t know how to say, like,
„No, I don’t… I don’t want to do that.“
697
00:41:19,978 –> 00:41:24,065
I don’t know how long it was after
the first time I had gone over there…
698
00:41:25,233 –> 00:41:29,487
but I… one day,
I got a phone call at my house.
699
00:41:30,363 –> 00:41:33,116
They called me a cab to take me to Jeff’s.
700
00:41:33,950 –> 00:41:38,997
There was no explanation.
There was just, „Take the cab to Jeff’s.“
701
00:41:43,376 –> 00:41:46,254
I assumed if I went back…
702
00:41:46,879 –> 00:41:48,089
I would get more money.
703
00:41:50,133 –> 00:41:52,260
I mean, I didn’t have any money.
704
00:41:52,510 –> 00:41:54,387
I didn’t have a family like that.
705
00:41:56,347 –> 00:41:57,306
I just…
706
00:41:58,433 –> 00:42:00,852
didn’t know how to handle it, you know.
707
00:42:00,935 –> 00:42:03,604
So, I think I kind of went
into this kind of like…
708
00:42:04,355 –> 00:42:07,817
pilot mode kind of situation,
where I just…
709
00:42:07,900 –> 00:42:08,818
[inhales deeply]
710
00:42:09,402 –> 00:42:13,322
…tried to, like, get through it
and just go home.
711
00:42:15,825 –> 00:42:18,494
I couldn’t say, „This isn’t right.“
712
00:42:18,661 –> 00:42:21,456
I couldn’t say, „This isn’t normal.“
713
00:42:21,539 –> 00:42:24,083
I couldn’t say, like,
„This is a sick man.“
714
00:42:24,751 –> 00:42:27,628
And it was probably
for like three or four years
715
00:42:27,712 –> 00:42:29,047
I continued to go.
716
00:42:38,222 –> 00:42:41,476
[woman] I’m an educational psychologist
and mental health counselor.
717
00:42:41,934 –> 00:42:45,438
I’ve worked with many victims
of sexual trauma.
718
00:42:45,521 –> 00:42:50,943
And the first thought that I had when
reading about the Jeffrey Epstein… case
719
00:42:51,027 –> 00:42:54,697
is that hetargeted girls
that were so vulnerable.
720
00:42:55,156 –> 00:42:59,410
Um, and this is something
that most sexual predators do.
721
00:42:59,952 –> 00:43:04,457
The first step in the grooming process
is spotting a vulnerable victim,
722
00:43:04,540 –> 00:43:07,293
someone who is financially disadvantaged
723
00:43:07,502 –> 00:43:11,297
or that already have
some sexual trauma in their past.
724
00:43:11,839 –> 00:43:17,386
Sexual predators like Jeffrey Epstein
have an eye for picking out someone
725
00:43:17,470 –> 00:43:19,430
who is in need of something,
726
00:43:19,889 –> 00:43:23,309
and they identify that need,
and then they exploit it.
727
00:43:24,393 –> 00:43:26,771
When you’re pairing a teenage girl
728
00:43:27,313 –> 00:43:31,692
with a brilliant,
narcissistic billionaire,
729
00:43:31,776 –> 00:43:35,238
their adolescent brain was not equipped
730
00:43:35,613 –> 00:43:39,075
to understand or react
to what was happening.
731
00:43:46,582 –> 00:43:50,461
[Reiter] We were frustrated that,
while some people were cooperative,
732
00:43:51,129 –> 00:43:55,591
most of the victims did not want
to prosecute for fear of Jeffrey Epstein.
733
00:43:56,551 –> 00:43:58,928
They knew that Mr. Epstein was
734
00:43:59,011 –> 00:44:02,598
a powerful, influential,
very wealthy person.
735
00:44:02,682 –> 00:44:04,183
So they were very reluctant.
736
00:44:05,184 –> 00:44:08,896
And so we decided to talk
to some of his employees.
737
00:44:09,230 –> 00:44:11,065
[telephone ringing]
738
00:44:11,983 –> 00:44:14,819
-[Recarey] Good morning, Mr. Alessi?
-Yes, speaking.
739
00:44:14,902 –> 00:44:17,947
Hi. This is Detective Joe Recarey
with Palm Beach Police.
740
00:44:18,030 –> 00:44:21,909
I’m investigating a case
against, uh, a former employer of yours,
741
00:44:21,993 –> 00:44:22,994
Jeffrey Epstein.
742
00:44:24,245 –> 00:44:25,496
[Alessi] This is something
743
00:44:25,580 –> 00:44:27,832
that I really would not like
to be involved,
744
00:44:27,915 –> 00:44:30,168
-if I’m not involved with it.
-[Recarey] I understand that,
745
00:44:30,251 –> 00:44:33,838
but you may hold some information
which would assist me in this case.
746
00:44:35,339 –> 00:44:38,176
[Alessi] But I don’t want to get
in trouble or…
747
00:44:38,467 –> 00:44:42,388
I don’t want to get sued
by Mr. Epstein or by his company.
748
00:44:42,847 –> 00:44:43,681
[telephone ringing]
749
00:44:44,473 –> 00:44:46,684
[Recarey] You are Alfredo Rodriguez,
correct?
750
00:44:46,767 –> 00:44:48,895
-[Rodriguez] Yes, that’s me.
-[Recarey] Okay.
751
00:44:48,978 –> 00:44:52,148
I just wanted to touch base with a case
that I’m investigating
752
00:44:52,732 –> 00:44:53,858
involving Mr. Epstein.
753
00:44:54,400 –> 00:44:55,359
[Rodriguez] Okay.
754
00:44:56,319 –> 00:44:58,779
[Recarey] My main concern, obviously, is
755
00:44:59,197 –> 00:45:01,282
the girls that come over to work for him.
756
00:45:02,658 –> 00:45:03,492
[Rodriguez] Okay.
757
00:45:04,076 –> 00:45:05,703
[Recarey] What can you tell me about that?
758
00:45:05,786 –> 00:45:07,705
[Rodriguez] He has a lot of masseuses.
759
00:45:07,788 –> 00:45:12,293
He has a list of favorite, uh…
female personnel
760
00:45:12,376 –> 00:45:13,836
to give him massage, you know.
761
00:45:13,920 –> 00:45:16,547
So he gets massage in the morning,
massage in the afternoon.
762
00:45:16,631 –> 00:45:18,382
They were very private, sir, you know.
763
00:45:18,466 –> 00:45:22,762
So I didn’t know
what went on behind closed doors.
764
00:45:22,845 –> 00:45:25,264
It was my job to keep everything discreet.
765
00:45:25,348 –> 00:45:26,182
So…
766
00:45:26,807 –> 00:45:28,726
[Recarey] Would you
say these girls were young?
767
00:45:29,685 –> 00:45:30,895
[Rodriguez] Um…
768
00:45:31,938 –> 00:45:34,065
Oof, you put me on the spot, sir.
769
00:45:40,488 –> 00:45:43,074
[Reiter] Every part of this case
was an uphill battle.
770
00:45:43,783 –> 00:45:46,035
His employees didn’t want to cooperate,
771
00:45:46,869 –> 00:45:49,330
so we went through the trash at his home.
772
00:45:50,248 –> 00:45:52,750
In one case,
we found a school report card
773
00:45:52,833 –> 00:45:54,543
for one of the victims.
774
00:45:56,170 –> 00:46:00,341
And in another case,
we learned that he sent a messenger
775
00:46:01,092 –> 00:46:04,637
to the school to provide flowers
to the victim
776
00:46:04,720 –> 00:46:07,265
who had been part of a performance there.
777
00:46:09,183 –> 00:46:11,978
[James Patterson] West Palm Beach
has dozens of high schools
778
00:46:12,061 –> 00:46:13,854
and middle schools.
779
00:46:13,938 –> 00:46:17,066
Thousands and thousands of kids.
Some private schools out there.
780
00:46:17,900 –> 00:46:21,904
All these schools became a hunting ground
for this predator.
781
00:46:28,452 –> 00:46:30,871
[woman] I think at 16, 17,
when you’re in high school,
782
00:46:30,955 –> 00:46:32,498
I think we’re all vulnerable.
783
00:46:34,041 –> 00:46:37,545
This is Royal Palm Beach High School.
This is where we went to high school.
784
00:46:37,628 –> 00:46:39,380
Not the happiest moment in my life.
785
00:46:41,257 –> 00:46:45,511
My name is Haley Robson,
and I was 16 when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
786
00:46:46,929 –> 00:46:50,391
Growing up in West Palm Beach,
I had a big family, lots of cousins.
787
00:46:50,474 –> 00:46:51,684
I have two sisters.
788
00:46:52,476 –> 00:46:56,063
My dad was a police officer.
My mom worked in banking.
789
00:46:57,523 –> 00:46:58,774
I love horses.
790
00:46:59,317 –> 00:47:01,527
I started riding when I was 11.
791
00:47:02,111 –> 00:47:04,071
Couple years later, I got competitive.
792
00:47:04,447 –> 00:47:07,450
This was probably
the most happy time of my life.
793
00:47:09,327 –> 00:47:11,579
But I had gone through
a traumatic experience
794
00:47:11,662 –> 00:47:13,164
before I met Jeffrey Epstein.
795
00:47:13,873 –> 00:47:16,000
The summer before I turned 16,
796
00:47:16,417 –> 00:47:17,293
I was raped.
797
00:47:17,376 –> 00:47:20,421
[clears throat]
It was my first experience with a man.
798
00:47:21,380 –> 00:47:22,590
He was 21.
799
00:47:22,673 –> 00:47:24,508
I just closed up.
800
00:47:25,092 –> 00:47:30,514
Um… I started using drugs.
I was drinking all the time, smoking weed.
801
00:47:31,557 –> 00:47:34,352
I just kind of wanted to just vanish,
just disappear.
802
00:47:37,730 –> 00:47:39,982
The girl that introduced me
to Jeffrey Epstein
803
00:47:40,483 –> 00:47:41,901
went to High School with me.
804
00:47:42,735 –> 00:47:47,448
She said, „I know this guy and he would
give me $200 just to give him a massage.“
805
00:47:48,491 –> 00:47:51,827
And my first immediate reaction
or thought that came to my mind was
806
00:47:51,911 –> 00:47:54,080
„This is my ticket out of West Palm.
This is my way out.“
807
00:47:55,998 –> 00:47:58,626
We drove to Palm Beach island…
808
00:48:00,795 –> 00:48:04,256
and we actually walked in…
It wasn’t the front door.
809
00:48:04,340 –> 00:48:07,510
It was almost like this side door
that led into the kitchen.
810
00:48:09,804 –> 00:48:13,140
I remember we walked up a flight of stairs
that kind of curved.
811
00:48:13,724 –> 00:48:17,061
And the first thing that I noticed,
because it was so distracting,
812
00:48:17,144 –> 00:48:18,020
was the wall art.
813
00:48:20,272 –> 00:48:21,732
A lot of nudity.
814
00:48:22,650 –> 00:48:24,860
Naked statues, naked pictures.
815
00:48:25,611 –> 00:48:27,238
It made me feel uncomfortable…
816
00:48:27,988 –> 00:48:30,533
and then I saw, like,
a photograph of kids.
817
00:48:31,534 –> 00:48:32,660
It wasn’t normal.
818
00:48:35,287 –> 00:48:37,581
The massage began as a massage,
819
00:48:38,040 –> 00:48:39,208
then he turned over.
820
00:48:40,126 –> 00:48:41,585
He was naked on the table.
821
00:48:42,461 –> 00:48:45,339
And I just remember feeling really scared.
822
00:48:46,549 –> 00:48:48,259
It just brought up a lot of bad…
823
00:48:48,759 –> 00:48:49,844
emotions.
824
00:48:51,929 –> 00:48:52,972
[Recarey] Did he touch you?
825
00:48:53,055 –> 00:48:55,724
[Haley Robson]
Yeah, in inappropriate places.
826
00:48:56,851 –> 00:48:58,102
[Recarey] Does he use his hands?
827
00:48:58,185 –> 00:49:02,064
[Robson] He uses his hand,
and I guess it’s like a vibrator.
828
00:49:02,690 –> 00:49:03,524
But, um…
829
00:49:04,525 –> 00:49:06,235
I refused to do that.
830
00:49:08,404 –> 00:49:10,990
He tried to touch me below the belt.
831
00:49:12,491 –> 00:49:13,742
I declined.
832
00:49:13,826 –> 00:49:17,663
Um, I told him I didn’t feel comfortable.
„No, it’s not going to happen.“
833
00:49:17,997 –> 00:49:21,417
At that moment, he was offering me,
834
00:49:21,500 –> 00:49:24,295
„Okay. Well,
this isn’t going to happen, so…
835
00:49:24,712 –> 00:49:26,172
just if you have any friends,
836
00:49:26,255 –> 00:49:28,841
if you bring them to me,
I’ll give you $200.“
837
00:49:29,467 –> 00:49:31,594
-[Recarey] Just to bring a girl?
–[Robson] Yeah.
838
00:49:31,677 –> 00:49:34,346
[Recarey] The girl that was going
knew she would have to massage him.
839
00:49:34,430 –> 00:49:35,598
[Robson] She knew everything.
840
00:49:36,724 –> 00:49:38,684
[Recarey] How long
have you been working for him?
841
00:49:38,767 –> 00:49:40,644
[Robson] I probably worked for him
for a year.
842
00:49:42,396 –> 00:49:43,814
I probably recruited…
843
00:49:45,191 –> 00:49:46,442
maybe 24 girls.
844
00:49:47,818 –> 00:49:49,695
[Robson] Those girls brought
other girls, too.
845
00:49:50,863 –> 00:49:53,199
-[Recarey] Okay.
-[Robson] So, it’s like a train.
846
00:49:53,616 –> 00:49:55,034
[Recarey] Who else was underage?
847
00:49:56,035 –> 00:49:56,869
[Robson] Under 18?
848
00:49:57,620 –> 00:49:59,038
-All of them.
-[Recarey] All of them?
849
00:49:59,121 –> 00:49:59,997
[Robson] All of them.
850
00:50:01,457 –> 00:50:03,667
[Robson] I would recruit girls
that were friends.
851
00:50:04,126 –> 00:50:05,836
I would just casually bring it up.
852
00:50:06,795 –> 00:50:09,173
And we would drive together to his house.
853
00:50:10,591 –> 00:50:13,802
I would take them to the room.
And then I would walk out.
854
00:50:14,470 –> 00:50:16,722
Sometimes I would wait out by the pool.
855
00:50:17,431 –> 00:50:20,935
When the girls would leave,
Jeffrey would come outside to pay me.
856
00:50:22,436 –> 00:50:26,440
He would say, you know, „How are you?
How is everything? How’s your family?“
857
00:50:26,524 –> 00:50:29,818
He wanted you to think he was a friend
and that he cared.
858
00:50:32,571 –> 00:50:34,949
[Recarey] All right,
I talked to my boss for a little bit.
859
00:50:35,324 –> 00:50:37,117
–[Frick] Which is why I’m here.
-[Robson] Okay.
860
00:50:37,368 –> 00:50:38,702
[Frick] Um… [sniffles]
861
00:50:38,786 –> 00:50:39,828
862
00:50:39,912 –> 00:50:42,915
At this point, you’ve clearly
implicated yourself in a crime.
863
00:50:42,998 –> 00:50:45,918
Okay? You’ve taken girls
to somebody’s house
864
00:50:46,001 –> 00:50:47,670
for the purpose of prostitution.
865
00:50:47,753 –> 00:50:51,298
More importantly, and more significantly,
one of those girls was 14 at the time.
866
00:50:51,382 –> 00:50:54,635
Okay? Now that’s a pretty significant
second-degree felony.
867
00:50:56,887 –> 00:51:01,559
I remember them being really tough on me,
and I think at one point I started crying.
868
00:51:01,850 –> 00:51:03,978
And I remember feeling really scared.
869
00:51:04,061 –> 00:51:08,440
And they treated me like
I was his right-hand man.
870
00:51:09,483 –> 00:51:12,194
But what about the girl that recruited me?
871
00:51:12,278 –> 00:51:15,864
What happened to her?What about the girl
that recruited the girl that recruited me?
872
00:51:17,866 –> 00:51:21,036
I feel like I’ve been putting
the blame on myself for so long,
873
00:51:21,787 –> 00:51:24,957
bashing myself,
and just being hard on myself,
874
00:51:25,708 –> 00:51:29,044
but I shouldn’t feel guilty about it
because I was 16…
875
00:51:29,628 –> 00:51:30,838
and he’s the adult,
876
00:51:31,505 –> 00:51:33,173
and he should not…
877
00:51:33,966 –> 00:51:35,384
make me feel…
878
00:51:36,218 –> 00:51:37,219
guilty.
879
00:51:37,303 –> 00:51:41,223
[sobbing] I’ve never said…
Never ever come forward like this.
880
00:51:42,308 –> 00:51:45,060
It just, like, brings up,
like, so many emotions.
881
00:51:51,692 –> 00:51:54,862
[Dr. Kathryn Stamoulis] The girls
that are recruiting the other girls
882
00:51:54,945 –> 00:51:58,532
are definitely victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
883
00:51:59,283 –> 00:52:01,994
They were manipulated in a unique way.
884
00:52:03,495 –> 00:52:06,957
They were made to feel special,
885
00:52:07,041 –> 00:52:11,337
and they were also offered opportunities
886
00:52:11,670 –> 00:52:16,759
that could get them
out of their life circumstances.
887
00:52:16,842 –> 00:52:20,888
And the added bonus that
they didn’t have to do anything sexual
888
00:52:20,971 –> 00:52:22,640
with this middle-aged man.
889
00:52:24,600 –> 00:52:29,563
This is how Jeffrey Epstein created
a sexual pyramid scheme.
890
00:52:37,237 –> 00:52:39,573
[Reiter]
After months of our investigation,
891
00:52:39,657 –> 00:52:44,119
we realized that this was a way of life
for Mr. Epstein,
892
00:52:44,995 –> 00:52:48,499
and I believe he felt
that he would never be caught.
893
00:52:50,334 –> 00:52:55,547
And so it was very important for us
to get inside of Mr. Epstein’s home,
894
00:52:55,631 –> 00:52:58,759
because we wanted to see
if there was additional evidence
895
00:52:58,842 –> 00:53:02,846
and to validate the information
given to us by the victims.
896
00:53:05,015 –> 00:53:06,517
But we had to be very careful.
897
00:53:06,850 –> 00:53:11,271
We did not want to reveal to Mr. Epstein
that he was being investigated
898
00:53:11,355 –> 00:53:13,482
until we had an airtight case.
899
00:53:14,983 –> 00:53:17,319
Finally, seven months into the case,
900
00:53:17,653 –> 00:53:21,448
we felt as though that was the time
to execute the search warrant.
901
00:53:21,990 –> 00:53:25,244
902
00:53:26,829 –> 00:53:29,915
[Recarey] This is a complete description
of the residence desired to be searched,
903
00:53:29,998 –> 00:53:32,084
including the curtilage attached thereof.
904
00:53:33,544 –> 00:53:36,171
I will leave a list
of what items we’re taking.
905
00:53:39,049 –> 00:53:44,680
[Reiter] We were extremely surprised
at what we found inside Epstein’s house.
906
00:53:45,305 –> 00:53:47,391
1
00:00:18,519 –> 00:00:20,604
[female on police radio]
3991 on the suspect.
2
00:00:20,687 –> 00:00:22,397
[indistinct talk on police radio]
3
00:00:22,814 –> 00:00:24,024
[male on police radio] Morning.
4
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This is a complete description
of the residence desired to be searched
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including the curtilage attached thereof.
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Being the premises occupied
or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein,
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white male, date of birth 1/20/53.
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This is your copy.
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When we are concluded,
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I will leave a list
of what items we’re taking.
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[dramatic music]
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Seven months into the case,
detectives executed the search warrant
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at Mr. Epstein’s residence.
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[Tim Malloy] They opened the doors
and went up the winding staircase
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into his ornate and bizarre world.
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Pictures of young kids half-naked.
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Nudes everywhere.
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One of the police officers who saw it
said that it was just really weird.
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Detectives also discovered
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a very bizarre steam room
and massage room setup.
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They actually found some computers
and equipment that remain in the house,
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but police suspected
most of Epstein’s computer hard drives,
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and surveillance cameras, and videos
had already been taken out of the house.
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[Michael Reiter] There was space on a desk
where wires were hanging,
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but there was no computer.
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At that point, it was fairly clear to us
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that Mr. Epstein knew
that he was under investigation.
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Epstein had been tipped off.
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[sinister music]
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[Reiter] After the search warrant,
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it was disappointing to realize
that Epstein’s house had been cleaned up.
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There were a lot of things
that had been removed.
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But there was still plenty of evidence
that was left.
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I think the most useful thing
that we learned
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was that the victims‘ accounts,
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detailed descriptions
of Mr. Epstein’s home,
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where rooms were located,
the configuration of the home,
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validated what they had told us.
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There were memo pads of phone calls
that we seized
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that included contact information
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for some of the victims
and for some of the adult females
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that had been used to identify
and recruit the victims,
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so that was productive for us as well.
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[woman] The message pads that were taken
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from the investigation that
the Palm Beach Police Department did,
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they’re very revealing.
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Individuals who were being called
or calling back in
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to come over for these sexual massages.
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For example, one has a redaction on it,
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meaning it was a minor
who was calling in, and it says,
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„She is wondering if 2:30 is okay.
She needs to stay in school.“
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I think I took this case
much more seriously than other matters
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that I’ve handled,
in the sense that it was very personal.
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I do have a daughter. I have children.
I met with these victims.
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It was very personal,
the abuse that they suffered.
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I won’t stop
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until the people who victimized
these individuals are held accountable.
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The age of consent in Florida is 18.
It does vary state to state,
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and in New York, for example, it’s 17,
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but this really isn’t a case
about consent.
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The point of these cases is
that there was no consent here.
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[Reiter] Seven months
into the investigation,
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we were all extremely frustrated
at the difficulty of this case.
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We applied whatever resources
were necessary to do the best job,
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to quickly be able to reach the point
that we could apply for arrest warrants.
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[man] Detectives that I talked to
said that they were tiptoeing,
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they were acting a little cautiously
because they knew there would be blowback.
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But also they were running into resistance
even among their own, among colleagues.
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Uh, they knew that there were people
who would protect
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any number of the residents on the island.
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And so, to go into a case like this,
you had to walk gingerly,
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you had to make sure
that you held your information closely,
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and you had to be absolutely sure
that you were right.
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[Reiter] We found
that the victims ran the entire gamut
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from those that were thankful
that we contacted them,
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others who said that they were
in love with Jeffrey Epstein,
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and they were going to get married
to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Some victims that we contacted
had gone on to college
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who slammed the door
in the face of detectives.
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We were very surprised to learn
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these criminal activities had gone on
for a fairly long period of time,
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many years prior to the investigation.
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My name is Virginia Giuffre.
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When I was 16, I got a summer job
at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
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in Palm Beach.
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Uh, I was working there
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as a locker room attendant
in the spa area.
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At the time, I really wanted to become
a massage therapist.
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And not very long into working
at Mar-a-Lago,
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did an English lady come up to me.
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She introduced herself
as Ghislaine Maxwell.
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She was beautiful. She looked educated.
She was nice.
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She said, „Oh, that’s interesting.
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You’re reading a book
about massage therapy.“
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And she said, „You know,
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I actually know this guy
who’s looking for a traveling masseuse.
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You know, if you want,
you can come by this afternoon after work,
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and you can come meet him.“
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I’d finished work around 5:00,
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and I pull up at this huge house,
this big mansion…
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and Ghislaine answers the door.
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I walk through the door,
and she’s leading me up the staircase,
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and I’m looking around, you know.
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There’s photographs everywhere
of important people.
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I could tell that, you know, like,
this guy has some friends in high places.
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And then we go into the massage room,
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and there’s this massage bed
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with a naked man laying on top of it,
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face down.
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To me this is, I guess,
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walking into a world I didn’t understand,
but I guess I’m gonna learn.
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Ghislaine shows me like,
„Put your lotion here on your hands.“
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And then we did his feet,
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his calves…
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his back.
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While the massage was going on,
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they asked me questions about my life.
„So, who are you?“
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„What school do you go to?“
Um… „Tell me about yourself.“
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You know, and that’s when I felt like
I should open up and tell them, like,
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how much this opportunity means to me.
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My home life started out very hard
from a very young age.
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I’d been a runaway
and lived on the streets.
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I’ve been abused.
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I felt like it was okay to tell them
about my past.
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And then he turned over.
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[sinister music]
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[Virginia Giuffre] They asked me…
to please take off my clothes.
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Ghislaine started taking off her clothes.
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I didn’t know what to do.
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I didn’t know what was gonna happen
if I said no, if I screamed.
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I just… I did what they said.
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Ghislaine was behind and touching me.
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It went from oral sex to get on top.
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Still to this day, I don’t know
how it went from something real
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to something perverted like that
so quickly.
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Afterwards,
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they said, „The interview went great.
You’re going to come back tomorrow.“
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And I did.
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I was abused plenty of times
before Epstein had done what he did to me.
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I had no self-esteem. I was scared
that my life was going to be worthless.
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I was the perfect victim for them.
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One thing that Epstein loved me for
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was that I never really asked
too many questions.
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I escalated up the ladder very quickly
with Epstein.
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I did whatever he needed,
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you know, put his socks on
for him before bed, uh…
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make sure
what he needed sexually happened.
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I had to serve him all the time.
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They told me,
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„You’re going to do so well.
You’re going to travel the world.
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You’re gonna meet people
that you’d never think you’d meet.
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We’re gonna put you in circles
that you would never even understand.“
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Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell had a great way
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of normalizing the abuse
that was going on.
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They kind of made it feel like
we were in this really deranged family.
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You know, we would sit back,
and we would watch movies together.
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We would go diving together.
We would go hiking together.
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We would go on 4Runners together.
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We would do so many cool activities
like that together.
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They kept saying,
„We will get you educated.
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You will become
a real massage therapist one day.“
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But under the premise
that afterwards you’re back to the abuse.
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And, unfortunately…
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I didn’t see my life getting any better.
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So I stayed.
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It was like
I am now a slave to these people.
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And then I was trafficked.
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I was lent out to all of their friends.
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They were politicians.
They were businessmen.
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They were powerful people.
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It made me think that
if I had run and caused a ruckus,
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the police wouldn’t have believed me,
they wouldn’t have done anything about it,
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and Jeffrey and Ghislaine
could have hurt me really bad then.
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He did say like, „People owe me favors.
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I can get away with this.
I will never get caught.
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I own the Palm Beach Police Department.“
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[James Patterson] Jeffrey Epstein
fits into that pattern
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of thinking that he’s above the law,
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that he can do what he feels like doing.
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But the life of privilege and power
that Epstein lead
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is a far, far cry from the way
he was brought up.
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[children shouting, screaming]
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-[waves crashing]
-[seagulls squawking]
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[Patterson] Epstein was born
and raised in Coney Island, New York,
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which is very middle class,
lower middle class.
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Epstein was a very good student
in high school. He was a bright guy.
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He skipped a couple of grades
in high school, graduated in 1969.
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[lawyer] What college did you attend?
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Cooper Union.
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[lawyer] Did you get a degree
from Cooper Union?
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No, sir.
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[lawyer]
How many years were you in college?
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[tuts] I believe two.
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[lawyer] What’d you study?
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Physics.
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[lawyer] But isn’t it true
that you were a teacher
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at the Dalton School in New York
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after college?
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[Patterson] The first mystery is
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how could Epstein get a job teaching
at Dalton without a college degree?
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This was probably the start
of Epstein’s lifelong pattern
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of getting away with things
that most people can’t.
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[man] In 1976,
Ace Greenberg was running Bear Stearns.
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One day, I was sitting in my office,
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and Ace Greenberg called me to say
that a trustee of the Dalton School
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had a young professor,
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Jeff Epstein,
who wanted to come to Wall Street,
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and Ace asked if I would interview him.
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Epstein was well-known as a good teacher
and somewhat of a ladies man,
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which didn’t resonate at the time.
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After grilling Jeffrey a few times,
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I hired him to develop and market
our quantitative analyses for options.
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He was terrific at it.
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Epstein was very quick-witted.
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When, uh, something arose that
he might not have been able to predict,
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he dealt with it in an impressive fashion.
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That’s a trait
of an effective salesperson.
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I was favorably impressed
that he could do the work.
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But this, I think, was one of my…
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important mistakes in my career.
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Epstein had been working for me
perhaps two months.
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The head of personnel called me.
He said, „Are you sitting down?
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Jeffrey Epstein lied on his résumé
about his education.
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None of his colleges
have ever heard of him.“
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I was stunned.
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I hired a liar.
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Even worse, he was dating Ace’s daughter.
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I went to Ace Greenberg.
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I wasn’t sure
how he would want me to proceed,
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and Ace said,
„Treat him like anybody else.“
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I was prepared to fire him.
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And this is where
his sales skills really resonated.
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When I told him he’d lied,
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he admitted it immediately.
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He just said,
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„I knew I couldn’t get a job teaching
at a high-quality school
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if I didn’t have
good educational credentials,
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so I wanted to get a chance.“
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I said,
„Why didn’t you tell us the truth?“
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He said, „Well, I was afraid
the Dalton School would hear about it
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and there would be problems.“
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He said, „I wanted to.“
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And he did it in a way
that was very convincing.
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He disarmed me.
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And I thought, „Do I want to play God
and throw him in the street,
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maybe destroy his potential?“
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Today, I wish I had.
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He had done well enough
that they made him a limited partner.
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But then a few years after that,
I heard he’d been fired
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for breaking some rules.
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I deeply regret giving Epstein
a second chance.
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That was my tragedy.
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Most of the victims did not want
to prosecute when we first contacted them.
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So once we had four or five victims
who were cooperative,
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we presented applications
for arrest warrants
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to the state attorney’s office.
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From the time I first became police chief,
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I had an excellent relationship
with the state attorney,
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Barry Krischer.
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The first time that I talked
about the case against Epstein with him,
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I explained that we had about
40-some victims who were in their teens,
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early teens in some cases,
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who had sex with an adult male in his 50s.
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He said he didn’t know Jeffrey Epstein
and he remarked,
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„We’ll put him away for the rest
of his life. It’s an easy case.“
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[sinister music]
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[Marc Fisher] Jeffrey Epstein, both
through his money and his connections,
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was able to assemble
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an extraordinary dream team
of at least eight defense lawyers
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who were known throughout the country
and throughout their industry
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as the absolute best.
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From Clinton impeachment lawyer,
Kenneth Starr,
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the top defense lawyers of South Florida,
people like Roy Black,
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New Yorkers like Jay Lefkowitz
and Gerald Lefcourt
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to Harvard Law School Professor
Alan Dershowitz.
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[Alan Dershowitz] I was born to be
a criminal defense lawyer.
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If you want to be a defense attorney,
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you can’t be concerned
about what people think of you.
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So, I did represent Claus von Bülow,
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O.J. Simpson, and Mike Tyson,
and Leona Helmsley, and Patricia Hearst,
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and so many other people.
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My relationship
with Jeffrey Epstein was academic
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and lawyer-client…
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but it was a close academic friendship.
For example, when I would write books,
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I would only send them
to a handful of people.
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He was one of them
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because he would seriously read
every word I wrote,
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and he would have comments
and criticisms.
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Jeffrey Epstein called me, I think,
the day he got the first indications,
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and the first indications were merely
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that one or two of the women
may have been 17,
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and may have lied about their age,
had given him false documentation.
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He asked me if I would help represent him.
I said I couldn’t represent him myself,
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I’m not a member of the Florida bar,
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but that I would help him
put together a legal team, and I did.
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[Fisher] Detectives quickly learned
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that Epstein was on to them
and that he was organizing a defense.
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And, in fact,
he was organizing an offense.
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Jeffrey Epstein’s attorneys were looking
into what the detectives were doing,
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who they were, what their pasts were,
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whether there were any peccadilloes
that would make them vulnerable to attack.
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[Reiter] There was surveillance of me
for months,
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round-the-clock surveillance
of Detective Recarey,
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around-the clock picking up of his trash
at his home and my trash.
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And the reason that it happened
to the degree that it did
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is because Mr. Epstein had
the resources to do that.
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In fact, we found private investigators
going through the trash
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at the police station.
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So we stopped putting the reports
in the computer
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and actually had them kept separately.
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[Malloy] A few months
after Chief Michael Reiter hands over
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the evidence to his close friend
Barry Krischer,
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Reiter notes an alarming difference
in Krischer’s attitude towards Epstein.
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Krischer had all but said to his friend
Chief Michael Reiter,
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„We’re gonna string him up.
You had a really solid case.“
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And then suddenly,
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the teeth seems to go out
of the investigation,
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at least on the side of the state attorney
who was supposed to be prosecuting this.
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[Reiter] I had been speaking
with Mr. Krischer along the way,
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and the state attorney’s office
started saying,
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„Look, these victims will not make
good witnesses.
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Yes, these victims, most of them,
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received financial compensation for, uh,
the sexual contact with Mr. Epstein,
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but no child can consent to have sex
with an adult.“
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But we were never able
to really convince the prosecutors
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that that didn’t matter.
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[Malloy] In a release,
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a high-powered local attorney
Jack Goldberger, Epstein’s attorney,
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emphasized the grand jury in this
questioned the credibility of the girls
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and therefore limited their charges
simply to solicitation of prostitution.
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Epstein is out on bond,
and he is not talking.
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[woman] I’ve been a reporter
at The Palm Beach Post for about 16 years.
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I think nobody knew anything
until 2006, and then it just…
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[makes explosion sound] It exploded.
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Epstein’s attorneys went
after the victims viciously.
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I mean, their depositions
that I’ve read were just, I mean, hideous.
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I remember one
where he asked one of the young girls,
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„Is it true you’ve had three abortions?“
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And then they asked the girl,
„Well, what’s worse,
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having three abortions or giving
sexual massages to Jeffrey Epstein?“
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It was just brutal
what they did to these women.
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[Dershowitz] You must bring out
all the negatives.
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You have to present the full picture.
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Their credibility may be subject
to question because of their backgrounds,
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but it has nothing to do
with blaming them.
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It’s the role of the defense attorney
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to raise questions
about the credibility of any witnesses.
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We don’t look at what’s good for victims.
We don’t look at anything
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except what’s good for our client,
ethically and legally.
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[woman] I’ve been
with the TV station in Palm Beach County
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for almost 23 years now.
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The Jeffrey Epstein story is
as big as it gets.
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So when the story broke,
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we started realizing
the gravity of a Palm Beach billionaire
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and the accusations
that we were starting to hear,
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we were quickly on the air
with this story,
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but Epstein’s team wanted this to go away.
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There were weekly phone calls to reporters
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with threats to make the story go away.
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„You don’t want to do this.
You shouldn’t be looking into this.“
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And it was mystifying
to the Palm Beach Police Department
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because they had all this evidence.
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[reporter] Palm Beach Police think
prostitution charges brought against
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billionaire socialite Jeffrey Epstein
don’t go far enough.
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Investigators think prosecutors
should have gone after Epstein
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on charges of unlawful sex with a minor.
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So why didn’t they?
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[Reiter] We were all extremely frustrated.
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Once we knew
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that the one charge was going to be
the extent of the state’s prosecution,
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I wrote the parents of all the victims
and told them that
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I did not feel
that justice was sufficiently served,
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and that I was referring the case
to the FBI.
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[Jane Musgrave]
It’s highly unusual for a police chief
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to sidestep the state attorney’s office,
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and go directly to the feds,
and demand an investigation.
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I don’t know
that I have ever heard of that,
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and I think that’s one of the many,
many odd things about this case.
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[Shannon Cake]
Any investigator or investigation,
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the first thing you’re going to do is
look back in time and see:
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Has this happened before?
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Are there other claims?
Are there other victims?
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The FBI actually found two women
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who had accused Epstein
a decade earlier, in 1996.
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Maria Farmer, an artist,
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and her younger sister, Annie.
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[Maria Farmer] In 1996,
following the assault
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by Jeffrey and Ghislaine,
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I came back to New York…
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and then I found out that they knew
that I’d reported them to the FBI.
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Ghislaine called and said
she was going to burn all my art,
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and burn my career and destroy it,
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she was entirely socially connected,
and that I was screwed.
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She told me I needed to watch my back,
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that, „I know you like to go running
on the West Side Highway,
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and that’s not going to be
a safe place for you anymore,
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because there are a lot of ways to die
on the West Side Highway.“
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From that point on, over many years,
I would move, I would relocate,
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and a couple of months would go by,
and I would be moving in,
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and Ghislaine… Ghislaine would call me.
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She would say she knew where I lived.
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She would say
that same kinds of veiled threats like…
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„You’re not safe where you are.
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You might want to check
over your shoulder.“
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Finally, in 2006, I was living
in the mountains of North Carolina.
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I was hiding.
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I had changed my name.
I had an alias…
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and I get a knock on the door,
and it’s this man and this woman,
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and they show me their badge, they’re FBI,
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and this woman said,
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„This is about your 1996 FBI report,
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and we’re following up
because we’re going to get him.
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We’re going to get them.“
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[Annie Farmer] The FBI came,
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and they interviewed me,
and they interviewed my sister,
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and we told them our stories.
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And so we just thought,
„Oh, my gosh! They’re really…
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You know, they’re doing a thorough job.
They’re looking at people in other places.
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They’re recognizing that this is
a more systemic issue,
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and they are… You know,
he’s gonna be held accountable.“
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[Shawna Rivera] I talked to the FBI,
and they’re like,
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„We’re here to save you.“
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And they assured me
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that they were going to protect me,
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and that they needed me to tell them
everything that happened.
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And they would help
as many victims as they can.
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[Sigrid McCawley]
I think a lot of the families,
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when they came to learn
what had happened to their daughters,
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reached out to attorneys to try
to help them navigate this circumstance,
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because obviously
there was a criminal aspect to it,
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there was a civil aspect to it,
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and they were also facing somebody
who is incredibly powerful,
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incredibly wealthy,
incredibly intimidating,
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so they needed lawyers to help them
through that process.
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[man] The first time I heard
Jeffrey Epstein’s name
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was when I had my own law firm
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dedicated to representing crime victims
in civil cases.
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A friend of mine from Jacksonville,
who was also a lawyer,
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he called me and said
that he had received a call from a girl.
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And that was Courtney Wild.
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Courtney came to my office.
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Then she told me
how she went into his house
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and told me what happened there.
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[woman] I was 14
when I was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein.
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It was eighth grade summer,
going from eighth grade to high school.
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From sixth, seventh and eighth grade,
I was a straight-A student.
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I never even got a B.
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I played the trumpet.
I was captain of the cheerleading squad…
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but then from eighth grade to ninth grade,
things fell apart for me and my family.
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Just from, um… my mom’s addiction.
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She was sick, battling her own demons,
wasn’t really able to care for me,
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and I was basically homeless
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and living at friends‘ houses
and stuff like that.
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When I first went to Jeffrey’s,
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I really was expecting
I was going to make easy money
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giving this guy a massage.
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And that situation escalated
to him molesting me.
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It happened so quick where it’s like,
„What just happened?“
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But being vulnerable at 14 years old,
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and trying to handle life on my own,
it was just overwhelming, so…
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um, I did continue
to go back to Jeffrey’s.
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He made me feel like,
463
00:29:34,231 –> 00:29:38,652
you know, basically, I was lucky to be
in his presence.
464
00:29:38,735 –> 00:29:44,825
It was just a glorified manipulation thing
he had going on and that worked.
465
00:29:48,245 –> 00:29:51,790
It was maybe the second time
I went to him or the third.
466
00:29:52,165 –> 00:29:54,293
He asked me, do I have any friends,
467
00:29:54,376 –> 00:29:55,919
can I bring anybody?
468
00:29:56,003 –> 00:29:59,840
And he would give me $200
and the person $200.
469
00:30:01,550 –> 00:30:04,678
In my time frame of going
for three to four years,
470
00:30:04,761 –> 00:30:07,180
I at least brought him
about 40 to 60 girls.
471
00:30:08,557 –> 00:30:11,601
I know that this is wrong, this is crazy,
472
00:30:11,685 –> 00:30:15,689
but I just became okay with that
because of what he offered me.
473
00:30:15,772 –> 00:30:19,443
He offered me cash. He offered me a way
474
00:30:19,943 –> 00:30:21,653
so I could eat and pay my bills,
475
00:30:21,737 –> 00:30:24,531
and he offered me something
that nobody else did.
476
00:30:26,199 –> 00:30:27,868
I felt like he was my lifeline.
477
00:30:37,544 –> 00:30:39,713
[Courtney Wild] So, in the beginning
of the investigation
478
00:30:39,796 –> 00:30:42,174
when the police were reaching out to me,
479
00:30:42,257 –> 00:30:43,342
I was confused.
480
00:30:43,425 –> 00:30:47,804
I felt like I had this painting of Jeffrey
that he was this awesome man,
481
00:30:48,138 –> 00:30:50,599
that he actually saved my life
in a sense,
482
00:30:50,682 –> 00:30:53,518
that I was very lucky
to ever be introduced to him.
483
00:30:55,020 –> 00:30:58,899
But then I see the police reports of girls
that I had brought to Jeffrey’s,
484
00:30:59,483 –> 00:31:00,525
close friends,
485
00:31:01,234 –> 00:31:03,612
and that made me have the change of heart.
486
00:31:04,780 –> 00:31:06,323
The emotions come over
487
00:31:06,907 –> 00:31:09,743
of, like, guilt, and shame, and disgust.
488
00:31:10,285 –> 00:31:11,453
It was traumatic.
489
00:31:12,662 –> 00:31:13,914
That’s when I started saying,
490
00:31:13,997 –> 00:31:16,750
„Okay, this isn’t right.
Something needs to happen about this.“
491
00:31:18,585 –> 00:31:22,422
So I find Brad Edwards, my attorney.
492
00:31:23,507 –> 00:31:26,301
[Brad Edwards] I told her, „You don’t
really have much to worry about.
493
00:31:26,927 –> 00:31:31,139
This is somebody
who is not ever going to be free again.“
494
00:31:31,598 –> 00:31:34,351
She said, „But I don’t think
you understand the level of power he has.“
495
00:31:35,769 –> 00:31:37,062
It’s just unheard of.
496
00:31:37,145 –> 00:31:40,065
It’s just an unbelievable scheme
to have kept going
497
00:31:40,148 –> 00:31:42,275
for that long of a period of time.
498
00:31:42,818 –> 00:31:44,569
I’ve never heard anything like this
499
00:31:44,653 –> 00:31:47,906
where somebody was able to set up
basically a pyramid scheme,
500
00:31:47,989 –> 00:31:50,075
a molestation pyramid scheme.
501
00:31:54,204 –> 00:31:55,580
Hey, do you have the victim chart?
502
00:31:55,664 –> 00:31:57,249
-The chart that we created?
-Yeah.
503
00:31:59,042 –> 00:32:01,169
Well, this is when we were first…
504
00:32:02,337 –> 00:32:04,756
trying to map out the case.
505
00:32:05,424 –> 00:32:06,550
We had to prove
506
00:32:07,092 –> 00:32:11,680
that this pyramid of underage girls
in Palm Beach…
507
00:32:12,639 –> 00:32:13,682
was true.
508
00:32:14,307 –> 00:32:18,645
It didn’t start from just a random
underage girl walking into the house.
509
00:32:19,271 –> 00:32:21,815
Ghislaine Maxwell was
one of the recruiters
510
00:32:21,898 –> 00:32:24,860
of the underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein.
511
00:32:24,943 –> 00:32:27,028
The other recruiters that were identified
512
00:32:27,112 –> 00:32:28,572
were Sarah Kellen,
513
00:32:28,655 –> 00:32:30,365
Nadia Marcinkova,
514
00:32:30,449 –> 00:32:31,908
Adriana Mucinska,
515
00:32:31,992 –> 00:32:34,286
and we just started tracking
516
00:32:34,619 –> 00:32:39,040
if this person, which name is
not identified right now,
517
00:32:39,124 –> 00:32:41,251
was an underage girl.
518
00:32:41,626 –> 00:32:42,711
„Who did you bring?“
519
00:32:43,295 –> 00:32:45,505
And then from that person
we would bridge down,
520
00:32:45,589 –> 00:32:46,673
„How many did you bring?“
521
00:32:46,756 –> 00:32:49,551
And she would name
the other five or six people.
522
00:32:49,634 –> 00:32:53,096
This was something
that we assembled in about 30 days
523
00:32:53,180 –> 00:32:57,350
and realized that this chart could go off
like a spider web
524
00:32:57,434 –> 00:33:01,062
for, you know,
five times as big as this chart.
525
00:33:03,690 –> 00:33:06,485
[McCawley] So at the top of
the pyramid scheme was Ghislaine Maxwell,
526
00:33:06,568 –> 00:33:08,528
who was really Epstein’s right-hand person
527
00:33:08,612 –> 00:33:11,740
with helping to recruit
these individuals for sexual abuse.
528
00:33:13,867 –> 00:33:16,620
[Vicky Ward] Jeffrey and Ghislaine
met in New York.
529
00:33:17,662 –> 00:33:21,166
Jeffrey Epstein’s really an introvert.
530
00:33:21,541 –> 00:33:27,881
Ghislaine is a much more charming person
than Jeffrey is.
531
00:33:27,964 –> 00:33:29,090
She’s an extrovert.
532
00:33:29,925 –> 00:33:33,512
I think he revels in being
this man of mystery,
533
00:33:33,970 –> 00:33:37,516
who almost can’t be bothered
to dress properly.
534
00:33:37,599 –> 00:33:39,809
He can’t be bothered to go to restaurants,
535
00:33:40,560 –> 00:33:43,271
and he likes the sort of intrigue
that that creates about him.
536
00:33:43,980 –> 00:33:46,691
Ghislaine is a very engaging person.
537
00:33:46,775 –> 00:33:49,861
She’s extremely charismatic and bubbly.
538
00:33:51,363 –> 00:33:56,826
Her father, Robert Maxwell, had been
an incredibly big figure in England.
539
00:33:57,202 –> 00:34:00,247
He was a big newspaper publisher.
540
00:34:00,664 –> 00:34:04,292
In fact, he’d been something of a con man
and a fraudster,
541
00:34:04,376 –> 00:34:06,127
but he’d lived a huge life.
542
00:34:07,212 –> 00:34:11,383
When Ghislaine came to New York,
543
00:34:11,466 –> 00:34:14,177
her whole world had fallen apart.
544
00:34:14,761 –> 00:34:19,641
Her father,
who she was incredibly attached to…
545
00:34:20,350 –> 00:34:23,395
had died in very murky circumstances,
546
00:34:23,478 –> 00:34:27,232
and also his entire reputation
had been shattered.
547
00:34:29,150 –> 00:34:35,115
Jeffrey, in a way, felt like a safe haven
for her. Here was…
548
00:34:35,991 –> 00:34:40,829
another very rich man
to sort of replace her father.
549
00:34:45,041 –> 00:34:49,838
[sinister music]
550
00:34:55,176 –> 00:34:58,388
[man] I’ve been covering Wall Street
since at least 1991.
551
00:34:59,389 –> 00:35:03,268
You know, Jeffrey Epstein was
always someone whose name popped up,
552
00:35:03,768 –> 00:35:05,729
but I couldn’t really nail it down.
553
00:35:05,937 –> 00:35:07,147
He was a cipher.
554
00:35:08,648 –> 00:35:11,109
People I know on Wall Street leave trails.
555
00:35:11,568 –> 00:35:13,403
His trail was elusive.
556
00:35:14,279 –> 00:35:16,740
So it was just sort of odd
that here was this guy
557
00:35:16,823 –> 00:35:19,034
that people talked about a lot,
558
00:35:19,326 –> 00:35:21,661
that didn’t have much of a footprint
in the investment world.
559
00:35:22,787 –> 00:35:26,875
That’s the mystery of Jeffrey Epstein.
You know, how did he make money?
560
00:35:32,881 –> 00:35:35,300
[man] I deeply regret
561
00:35:35,675 –> 00:35:37,302
that I met Jeffrey Epstein,
562
00:35:37,594 –> 00:35:42,265
who is somebody that has haunted me
for over 30 years.
563
00:35:43,767 –> 00:35:47,312
Without me, he wouldn’t be
the billionaire he is today,
564
00:35:47,395 –> 00:35:49,814
and these poor girls would not be raped.
565
00:35:49,898 –> 00:35:54,819
And I’m here for redemption
and to tell the story to the public.
566
00:35:55,779 –> 00:35:56,946
[car horn beeping]
567
00:35:59,699 –> 00:36:02,160
[Steven Hoffenberg]
I met Jeff Epstein in the ’80s
568
00:36:02,952 –> 00:36:06,247
after he was thrown out of Bear Stearns.
569
00:36:06,915 –> 00:36:10,335
I was the CEO
of Towers Financial Corporation.
570
00:36:12,962 –> 00:36:18,343
[Ward] Steve Hoffenberg
and Jeffrey were both self-made guys.
571
00:36:18,760 –> 00:36:23,014
But when Jeffrey met him,
Hoffenberg was the sort of… the mogul.
572
00:36:23,098 –> 00:36:27,185
He was the one flying around
in private planes.
573
00:36:27,268 –> 00:36:30,355
He was the one with the wealth.
574
00:36:32,440 –> 00:36:35,610
[Hoffenberg]
The CEO of a very large company
575
00:36:35,694 –> 00:36:38,446
who had employed Jeffrey Epstein in Europe
576
00:36:38,822 –> 00:36:41,700
called me and said,
„This is a brilliant man
577
00:36:41,783 –> 00:36:44,994
that we’d like you to interview
for North America
578
00:36:45,412 –> 00:36:50,250
because he has credentials on Wall Street,
and he’s loaded with energy,
579
00:36:50,542 –> 00:36:53,044
but his moral compass is upside down.“
580
00:36:53,920 –> 00:36:59,384
Jeffrey Epstein had cheated
and stolen money on his expense account.
581
00:37:00,260 –> 00:37:02,887
He definitely appealed to us,
582
00:37:02,971 –> 00:37:05,974
because we were running a Ponzi scheme.
[chuckles]
583
00:37:06,808 –> 00:37:08,184
And he understood Wall Street,
584
00:37:08,268 –> 00:37:14,607
and he could deliver substantial results
in this criminal enterprise.
585
00:37:16,651 –> 00:37:21,531
So I interviewed Jeffrey Epstein,
and he took control of the interview.
586
00:37:21,865 –> 00:37:25,535
He’s got a gift that’s extraordinary,
587
00:37:25,618 –> 00:37:28,788
where he controls the people he meets
588
00:37:28,872 –> 00:37:32,417
and manipulates them totally
with his charisma.
589
00:37:45,472 –> 00:37:49,601
[Hoffenberg] Jeffrey Epstein became
my partner in crime,
590
00:37:49,684 –> 00:37:52,854
backing me up, leading the advance,
591
00:37:52,937 –> 00:37:57,150
doing the crimes alongside me daily.
592
00:37:57,650 –> 00:38:01,321
He took over the securities side,
593
00:38:01,821 –> 00:38:03,823
the fake assets side.
594
00:38:04,115 –> 00:38:06,034
He was manipulating stock price
595
00:38:06,576 –> 00:38:08,745
and trading stock illegally.
596
00:38:11,414 –> 00:38:16,044
[Ward] People involved
certainly remembered Jeffrey
597
00:38:16,127 –> 00:38:19,839
as being incredibly important in coming up
598
00:38:20,215 –> 00:38:22,425
with how the scheme would work.
599
00:38:24,344 –> 00:38:27,931
Then the law caught up
to this massive scam.
600
00:38:30,475 –> 00:38:34,729
[Hoffenberg] I stood up, plead guilty,
and accepted the responsibility.
601
00:38:35,146 –> 00:38:38,441
My sentence was
for 20 years in federal prison…
602
00:38:39,776 –> 00:38:43,404
and I didn’t turn evidence against him
603
00:38:43,488 –> 00:38:48,368
because Jeffrey Epstein
told me he was a cooperating witness
604
00:38:48,451 –> 00:38:51,579
for the United States
Department of Justice in the past
605
00:38:51,996 –> 00:38:54,082
and he had traction with them.
606
00:38:54,541 –> 00:38:59,879
I believe that Jeffrey Epstein
would have been able to discredit me
607
00:38:59,963 –> 00:39:03,800
and say he was the White Knight
and he was immaculate,
608
00:39:04,300 –> 00:39:06,803
and I knew that was his plan.
609
00:39:08,638 –> 00:39:13,893
You can’t grasp the magnitude
of this man’s controlling effect.
610
00:39:13,977 –> 00:39:18,982
Jeffrey Epstein was able to control
and manipulate people
611
00:39:19,524 –> 00:39:21,609
in an extreme method.
612
00:39:22,819 –> 00:39:24,571
That was typical Jeffrey Epstein.
613
00:39:25,572 –> 00:39:28,700
It’s very clear that
that is Jeffrey’s MO,
614
00:39:28,783 –> 00:39:33,955
is to hold things over people,
hold their secrets over people, I suspect.
615
00:39:34,414 –> 00:39:36,332
Um, you know, there’s a pattern here.
616
00:39:38,126 –> 00:39:43,172
[Hoffenberg] Jeffrey Epstein’s methods
started with Leslie Wexner
617
00:39:43,506 –> 00:39:47,719
when Jeffrey Epstein sold
his soul to Leslie Wexner
618
00:39:47,802 –> 00:39:50,138
for several billion dollars of investment.
619
00:39:58,938 –> 00:40:04,402
[man] Jeff Epstein met Les Wexner
somewhere around 1986.
620
00:40:08,823 –> 00:40:11,534
This is Mr. Wexner’s gate house,
621
00:40:11,993 –> 00:40:15,204
and beyond that gate house is
a massive compound
622
00:40:15,288 –> 00:40:19,208
and the most expensive house
in central Ohio.
623
00:40:21,377 –> 00:40:25,965
Les Wexner started out in 1963
624
00:40:26,382 –> 00:40:30,511
opening the women’s fashion
apparel shop, The Limited.
625
00:40:31,220 –> 00:40:34,140
Les bought various other brands,
626
00:40:34,766 –> 00:40:38,019
Abercrombie & Fitch
and Victoria’s Secret.
627
00:40:38,853 –> 00:40:42,315
Through all of that,
became a multi-billionaire.
628
00:40:43,316 –> 00:40:47,820
At some point,
Les Wexner provided a power of attorney
629
00:40:47,904 –> 00:40:51,741
to Jeffrey Epstein
over his financial affairs.
630
00:40:53,076 –> 00:40:57,956
I was astonished
because Les Wexner is not the kind of guy
631
00:40:58,039 –> 00:41:01,501
who gives up control over anything.
632
00:41:02,043 –> 00:41:04,963
Epstein was this Svengali figure
633
00:41:05,046 –> 00:41:09,175
that seems to have
some unexplainable grip,
634
00:41:09,258 –> 00:41:11,594
uh, over this titan of industry.
635
00:41:13,179 –> 00:41:16,641
There are people in the late ’80s,
early ’90s
636
00:41:16,724 –> 00:41:20,186
that referred to Epstein
as „the boyfriend.“
637
00:41:22,230 –> 00:41:27,026
[Hoffenberg] Jeffrey Epstein was working
with both of us at the same time.
638
00:41:28,152 –> 00:41:31,990
He was going to Ohio regularly on a jet
639
00:41:32,073 –> 00:41:35,535
that was provided to Jeffrey
by Leslie Wexner.
640
00:41:37,203 –> 00:41:41,249
Epstein explained to me personally
641
00:41:41,332 –> 00:41:47,672
that he could control the emotions
of Leslie Wexner easily
642
00:41:48,047 –> 00:41:51,259
because Leslie Wexner was fascinated
643
00:41:51,342 –> 00:41:54,846
and Wexner totally adored Epstein.
644
00:41:55,847 –> 00:41:58,016
[Edwards]
Do you consider yourself to be bisexual?
645
00:41:59,434 –> 00:42:00,768
-No.
-[Edwards] Okay.
646
00:42:01,853 –> 00:42:05,314
In any even, you did develop
a sexual relationship
647
00:42:05,398 –> 00:42:08,151
with Leslie Wexner at some point in time,
is that true?
648
00:42:08,234 –> 00:42:09,068
No.
649
00:42:11,070 –> 00:42:16,159
[Hoffenberg] Epstein told me
how he planned to manipulate and control
650
00:42:16,242 –> 00:42:20,079
Leslie Wexner’s fortune
of billions of dollars
651
00:42:20,413 –> 00:42:25,168
so that Jeffrey Epstein could invest
652
00:42:25,460 –> 00:42:28,713
and make substantial income.
653
00:42:41,434 –> 00:42:43,895
In 2019, Les Wexner revealed
654
00:42:43,978 –> 00:42:46,981
that he had cut ties with Epstein
back in 2007.
655
00:42:48,316 –> 00:42:52,320
He said he discovered Epstein had stolen
more than 46 million dollars from him.
656
00:42:52,403 –> 00:42:54,363
He didn’t explain
why he didn’t press charges.
657
00:42:56,365 –> 00:42:58,076
[Les Wexner] Being taken advantage of
658
00:42:58,576 –> 00:43:02,288
by someone who was, uh, so sick,
659
00:43:02,371 –> 00:43:05,083
so cunning, uh, so depraved…
660
00:43:05,541 –> 00:43:06,417
uhm…
661
00:43:06,876 –> 00:43:10,671
is something that I’m embarrassed
that I was even close to.
662
00:43:18,930 –> 00:43:23,518
[sinister music]
663
00:43:28,481 –> 00:43:30,566
[woman] I was, uh, a model and actress.
664
00:43:30,650 –> 00:43:32,193
[man] Alicia! What’s up?
665
00:43:32,735 –> 00:43:34,362
[Alicia Arden] When my friend said,
666
00:43:34,445 –> 00:43:37,740
„This guy can get you
in the Victoria’s Secret catalog,“
667
00:43:37,824 –> 00:43:38,950
I jumped.
668
00:43:40,409 –> 00:43:45,623
Jeffrey Epstein was staying at Shutters
hotel in Santa Monica, California.
669
00:43:45,706 –> 00:43:47,875
So I met him at his hotel room.
670
00:43:48,251 –> 00:43:51,420
He said he knows
the owner of Victoria’s Secret.
671
00:43:51,838 –> 00:43:55,383
So he started opening
my portfolio of pictures…
672
00:43:56,342 –> 00:43:57,635
and then he said,
673
00:43:57,718 –> 00:43:59,846
„Let me see you in your bra
and underwear.“
674
00:43:59,929 –> 00:44:05,309
Then he started putting his hands on me
and my hips and my butt.
675
00:44:06,686 –> 00:44:11,107
I really felt at the time
that I was going to be raped or attacked.
676
00:44:11,524 –> 00:44:13,484
I ran out of the room crying.
677
00:44:14,986 –> 00:44:18,823
I drove to the Santa Monica
Police Department to file a police report.
678
00:44:21,075 –> 00:44:23,369
I don’t remember him
ever being investigated.
679
00:44:23,452 –> 00:44:24,662
No one called me.
680
00:44:26,205 –> 00:44:28,082
He didn’t get in trouble over it.
681
00:44:28,541 –> 00:44:32,044
It was like nothing really ever happened.
682
00:44:48,227 –> 00:44:51,397
[man] I’ve been a private
investigator now for about ten years,
683
00:44:51,480 –> 00:44:54,650
but I’d say 80% of my job is…
684
00:44:55,568 –> 00:44:57,528
on the street finding information.
685
00:44:58,613 –> 00:45:01,532
When I started working on this case
for Brad Edwards,
686
00:45:02,283 –> 00:45:06,996
he told me that the FBI is doing
a parallel case,
687
00:45:07,079 –> 00:45:08,956
but they really don’t have much.
688
00:45:09,207 –> 00:45:11,918
It was just really going along slow.
689
00:45:12,960 –> 00:45:16,297
I’m a fan of the FBI.
I work very closely with them.
690
00:45:16,923 –> 00:45:19,508
So I said, „Well, okay.
Maybe I can speed it up for them.“
691
00:45:20,092 –> 00:45:22,762
I had one daughter at the time
when I started working the case
692
00:45:22,845 –> 00:45:24,013
who was 21,
693
00:45:24,597 –> 00:45:27,016
and one daughter was 15.
694
00:45:29,560 –> 00:45:31,771
It didn’t only make me think
about my own daughters,
695
00:45:31,854 –> 00:45:34,815
it made me think about all the years
I spent in law enforcement
696
00:45:34,899 –> 00:45:40,404
that I had to interview abused girls
or girls that were victims of a pedophile
697
00:45:40,738 –> 00:45:43,282
and how broken these girls became.
698
00:45:46,911 –> 00:45:51,749
These are the girls that I have been able
to identify myself that were victims,
699
00:45:52,124 –> 00:45:54,335
thirteen, and 14, and 15 years old.
700
00:45:54,794 –> 00:45:56,879
As you can see,
there’s a volume of them.
701
00:45:58,339 –> 00:46:01,759
I started going to the depressed areas
of West Palm Beach,
702
00:46:01,842 –> 00:46:03,552
to these neighborhoods,
703
00:46:03,636 –> 00:46:05,596
and I would meet someone,
704
00:46:06,097 –> 00:46:09,475
or one of the girls that Brad
was representing would know someone,
705
00:46:09,558 –> 00:46:10,893
give me a lead,
706
00:46:10,977 –> 00:46:15,273
and that’s how I started finding girl
after girl after girl.
707
00:46:16,565 –> 00:46:20,486
I think I must have found
like 46 other girls that were assaulted.
708
00:46:21,028 –> 00:46:23,739
Some of the victims were very reluctant
to talk to me,
709
00:46:23,823 –> 00:46:26,117
but I was at least able
to get their names,
710
00:46:26,200 –> 00:46:29,745
who they were and where they lived,
which I later gave to the FBI.
711
00:46:29,829 –> 00:46:33,207
[sinister music]
712
00:46:37,461 –> 00:46:38,504
Everybody feared him,
713
00:46:38,587 –> 00:46:42,591
and fear was his greatest asset.
714
00:46:42,675 –> 00:46:45,052
I mean,
that’s what gave him his power.
715
00:46:46,470 –> 00:46:49,515
So I took it upon myself
as civil prosecutor,
716
00:46:49,598 –> 00:46:53,269
and I served Jeffrey Epstein
for a deposition
717
00:46:53,519 –> 00:46:56,230
and tried to achieve justice
for the victims.
718
00:46:58,107 –> 00:47:00,943
[Edwards] Mr. Epstein,
how long have you been
719
00:47:01,027 –> 00:47:04,280
sexually attracted
to underage minor females?
720
00:47:04,989 –> 00:47:07,241
[lawyer] Objection.
Harassing, argumentative.
721
00:47:07,325 –> 00:47:08,409
Are you kidding?
722
00:47:11,120 –> 00:47:14,999
[Edwards] No, I mean, I don’t feel like
I’m divulging any secrets here, right?
723
00:47:16,834 –> 00:47:17,918
[lawyer] Move to strike.
724
00:47:19,712 –> 00:47:23,632
I was starting to really get
on Jeffrey Epstein’s nerves for sure.
725
00:47:23,716 –> 00:47:25,885
There’s no doubt. Was I trying to?
726
00:47:26,385 –> 00:47:27,219
I guess so.
727
00:47:29,055 –> 00:47:30,014
[Edwards] Mr. Epstein?
728
00:47:30,097 –> 00:47:30,931
Yeah.
729
00:47:31,515 –> 00:47:33,809
[Edwards]
Were you sexually abused as a minor?
730
00:47:35,936 –> 00:47:36,979
Wait, say that again?
731
00:47:37,355 –> 00:47:39,648
[Edwards]
Were you sexually abused as a minor?
732
00:47:39,899 –> 00:47:43,277
[sighs] You know, I’d like to…
Again, I’d like to respond to all your…
733
00:47:43,361 –> 00:47:45,571
If any questions seem to be relevant,
734
00:47:45,654 –> 00:47:48,908
but I would like to respond
to any relevant question at this time.
735
00:47:48,991 –> 00:47:52,286
However, my attorneys have counseled me
that I cannot provide answers
736
00:47:52,370 –> 00:47:54,747
to the questions relevant
to this lawsuit today.
737
00:47:55,206 –> 00:47:58,209
I must accept their advice
or risk losing my Sixth Amendment right
738
00:47:58,292 –> 00:47:59,877
to effective representation.
739
00:48:00,544 –> 00:48:04,548
Accordingly then, I assert my Fifth,
Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights
740
00:48:04,632 –> 00:48:06,384
in the United States Constitution.
741
00:48:14,183 –> 00:48:15,226
[Mike Fisten] Pretty soon,
742
00:48:15,309 –> 00:48:18,646
Epstein’s investigators started
conducting surveillance on Brad.
743
00:48:19,188 –> 00:48:21,899
They were trying to find out
744
00:48:21,982 –> 00:48:26,112
if they can catch Brad doing
anything wrong after hours,
745
00:48:26,195 –> 00:48:28,948
during hours, then try to blackmail him.
746
00:48:31,033 –> 00:48:32,118
But then,
747
00:48:32,201 –> 00:48:35,996
it became intimidation because
they started surveilling Brad’s house,
748
00:48:36,705 –> 00:48:38,165
where his wife and kids live.
749
00:48:39,083 –> 00:48:42,378
[Edwards] When my wife noticed that
somebody was following her, I thought,
750
00:48:42,461 –> 00:48:45,923
„Okay, it’s just getting out of hand.
Now that’s my family.“
751
00:48:46,841 –> 00:48:50,511
He tried to intimidate me
into just abandoning my clients,
752
00:48:50,803 –> 00:48:53,556
which I was never going to do.
That was never going to happen.
753
00:48:56,600 –> 00:48:58,602
[Reiter] They were investigating
the victims as well.
754
00:48:58,686 –> 00:49:01,605
We had several victims report to us that
755
00:49:01,689 –> 00:49:07,153
people posing as law enforcement officers
were contacting the victims and…
756
00:49:08,028 –> 00:49:10,197
in some cases, intimidating them.
757
00:49:10,281 –> 00:49:12,700
[sinister music]
758
00:49:16,537 –> 00:49:17,872
[Rivera] I started noticing
759
00:49:17,955 –> 00:49:20,541
there were cars
that would sit at the end of my street.
760
00:49:20,624 –> 00:49:23,461
I had these people constantly watching me.
761
00:49:24,336 –> 00:49:27,715
So I called my attorney,
and I told him what was going on.
762
00:49:28,132 –> 00:49:29,175
Brad figured out
763
00:49:29,258 –> 00:49:32,553
that most of these vehicles
were actually private investigators
764
00:49:32,636 –> 00:49:34,680
that were following and watching me.
765
00:49:35,973 –> 00:49:37,641
While she was sleeping in her bed,
766
00:49:37,725 –> 00:49:39,852
Jeffrey Epstein’s investigators
set their car up
767
00:49:39,935 –> 00:49:41,437
across the street from her house,
768
00:49:41,520 –> 00:49:44,899
and just shined their bright lights
through her window all night.
769
00:49:48,027 –> 00:49:50,362
[Rivera] So Brad sent Mike Fisten over.
770
00:49:50,779 –> 00:49:53,866
They had this private investigator war,
771
00:49:53,949 –> 00:49:57,077
cameras against one another,
recording each other.
772
00:49:57,620 –> 00:49:59,788
[Fisten] When I showed up,
he was still here.
773
00:49:59,872 –> 00:50:01,415
I took pictures of his car,
774
00:50:01,790 –> 00:50:03,918
and then I took pictures of him
in his car.
775
00:50:04,126 –> 00:50:06,504
With me there looking at him,
776
00:50:07,046 –> 00:50:08,380
he’s still videotaping.
777
00:50:09,715 –> 00:50:11,926
It was really… It was kind of scary.
778
00:50:12,468 –> 00:50:16,222
Mike puts me in his car and he says,
„We’re going to get out of here.“
779
00:50:16,305 –> 00:50:17,598
[Fisten] Don’t follow her.
780
00:50:20,559 –> 00:50:24,855
[Rivera] And he drove me like hours
down south and like put me in a hotel,
781
00:50:25,356 –> 00:50:28,275
where I hid
and was basically just told like,
782
00:50:28,359 –> 00:50:30,694
„Your family’s going to be safer
if you’re not home
783
00:50:30,778 –> 00:50:33,697
because they’re not gonna…
harass you now.“
784
00:50:35,032 –> 00:50:38,744
Why do I have to make my family…
785
00:50:39,662 –> 00:50:44,416
safe from somebody
who should be sitting in jail?
786
00:50:45,000 –> 00:50:47,002
[insects buzzing and chirping]
787
00:50:50,422 –> 00:50:52,466
[birds chirping]
788
00:51:00,266 –> 00:51:02,101
[Reiter]
This was a cooperative investigation
789
00:51:02,184 –> 00:51:04,895
between the FBI
and the US attorney’s office.
790
00:51:05,396 –> 00:51:08,482
Although we were not
an official partner to the investigation,
791
00:51:08,566 –> 00:51:09,984
they kept us informed.
792
00:51:10,067 –> 00:51:13,862
We cooperated, we introduced them
to the victims that we knew of,
793
00:51:14,113 –> 00:51:17,199
we gave them
all of the background information,
794
00:51:17,283 –> 00:51:20,869
and what’s written between the lines
that doesn’t appear in a report.
795
00:51:21,829 –> 00:51:25,165
[Fisten] The agent on the case,
Kuyrkendall, is a great agent.
796
00:51:25,916 –> 00:51:30,170
And she put together this case
against this pedophile
797
00:51:30,671 –> 00:51:35,217
that was going to put him in prison
the rest of his life
798
00:51:35,301 –> 00:51:37,511
if he just gets convicted of one count.
799
00:51:37,595 –> 00:51:40,723
The government had a plethora
of information at their fingertips.
800
00:51:40,806 –> 00:51:44,268
They had 35 to 40 different victims
that were willing to give testimony.
801
00:51:44,852 –> 00:51:48,564
They had information showing victims
being transported across state lines,
802
00:51:48,647 –> 00:51:51,609
whether it be in private planes
or on commercial flights.
803
00:51:51,692 –> 00:51:54,945
So, they had
a 53-page indictment prepared
804
00:51:55,362 –> 00:51:57,865
because they had
just an immense amount of information
805
00:51:57,948 –> 00:51:59,783
that they could charge Epstein with.
806
00:52:01,160 –> 00:52:04,496
[Reiter] I asked
for an appointment with Alex Acosta.
807
00:52:04,580 –> 00:52:08,375
Alex Acosta at the time
was the US attorney.
808
00:52:09,752 –> 00:52:14,173
I met with him and his team
in Mr. Acosta’s office.
809
00:52:14,256 –> 00:52:18,344
I told them that I would like to know
from them
810
00:52:18,427 –> 00:52:21,388
that they were going
to prosecute this case,
811
00:52:21,472 –> 00:52:26,393
and follow through with it,
and, uh, get justice for the victims.
812
00:52:26,977 –> 00:52:29,897
I left my meeting
with Alex Acosta thinking
813
00:52:29,980 –> 00:52:33,317
that Jeffrey Epstein would go to jail
for the rest of his life.
814
00:52:34,360 –> 00:52:37,696
[sinister music]
815
00:52:41,241 –> 00:52:43,327
The case had been turned over
to the federal government
816
00:52:43,410 –> 00:52:44,370
for more than two years,
817
00:52:45,079 –> 00:52:46,955
but I hadn’t heard anything.
818
00:52:47,289 –> 00:52:51,710
I just want to know what’s going on,
so I call and speak with Marie Villafaña
819
00:52:51,794 –> 00:52:53,462
of the US attorney’s office,
820
00:52:53,545 –> 00:52:57,591
and she confirmed
that this is a massive case.
821
00:52:57,675 –> 00:53:00,928
I started asking when she thought
a trial was actually going to happen,
822
00:53:01,428 –> 00:53:04,223
and I remember her telling me that,
823
00:53:04,515 –> 00:53:06,308
„There’s just a lot that I want
to tell you,
824
00:53:06,392 –> 00:53:10,020
and I know that your heart’s
in the right place, and mine is too.
825
00:53:10,104 –> 00:53:13,482
There’s a lot that I want to tell you,
Brad, that I can’t tell you.“
826
00:53:13,941 –> 00:53:16,777
And that’s when I started thinking
something was going on.
827
00:53:17,986 –> 00:53:21,740
[Reiter] Suddenly,
when we’d call the FBI agents,
828
00:53:21,824 –> 00:53:23,951
they would tell us
they were forbidden to talk
829
00:53:24,034 –> 00:53:27,204
with any representative of Palm Beach
Police Department about the case.
830
00:53:27,287 –> 00:53:29,873
It’s the only time that ever happened
in my 30 years
831
00:53:29,957 –> 00:53:31,500
as a law enforcement officer.
832
00:53:34,670 –> 00:53:37,214
[male reporter]
Epstein’s personal 727 aircraft
833
00:53:37,297 –> 00:53:40,342
arrived at PBIA from Newark at 5:00 p.m.
834
00:53:40,592 –> 00:53:42,928
The investor,
traveling with a small entourage,
835
00:53:43,011 –> 00:53:46,807
was met at the private Galaxy Aviation
by a black Escalade and a driver.
836
00:53:47,099 –> 00:53:49,226
Sources tell News Channel 5
that Kenneth Starr,
837
00:53:49,309 –> 00:53:53,188
now a top lawyer in Los Angeles,
will arrive here tomorrow morning.
838
00:53:54,440 –> 00:53:58,861
[Fisten] The US attorney Acosta
met with Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyers.
839
00:53:59,820 –> 00:54:03,657
The next thing,
not only was the indictment gone,
840
00:54:03,741 –> 00:54:06,118
the FBI case was stopped.
841
00:54:06,201 –> 00:54:08,454
So the FBI agents were shook up…
842
00:54:09,204 –> 00:54:14,084
very upset,
and started voicing their opposition…
843
00:54:14,793 –> 00:54:16,211
to what had occurred.
844
00:54:17,421 –> 00:54:20,299
[Maria Farmer] The FBI agent,
Nesbitt Kuyrkendall,
845
00:54:20,382 –> 00:54:22,009
I was so impressed by her.
846
00:54:22,092 –> 00:54:25,888
She was very dedicated
to the women in Florida.
847
00:54:26,555 –> 00:54:29,975
She called me really upset one day,
and she said,
848
00:54:30,058 –> 00:54:33,979
„Maria, I know you’re hesitant
about testifying because you’re afraid,
849
00:54:34,313 –> 00:54:36,732
and I just want you to know
I don’t know if it’ll even matter
850
00:54:36,815 –> 00:54:39,026
‚cause things are really falling apart.“
851
00:54:39,109 –> 00:54:42,029
I contacted Kuyrkendall myself,
and she was in tears.
852
00:54:42,112 –> 00:54:47,284
She was actually crying on the phone,
in tears, that this happened.
853
00:54:47,618 –> 00:54:49,870
She felt so bad for these victims
854
00:54:49,953 –> 00:54:53,248
because she told these victims
she’s going to put this guy away.
855
00:54:54,041 –> 00:54:59,463
Nobody knows why US Attorney Acosta
shut this case down.
856
00:55:00,964 –> 00:55:02,841
To me, that’s bullshit.
1
00:00:22,940 –> 00:00:24,358
[man sighs]
2
00:00:24,441 –> 00:00:26,360
-[woman] Raise your right hand, please.
-Yes.
3
00:00:26,443 –> 00:00:28,487
[woman] Do you swear
your testimony will be the truth,
4
00:00:28,570 –> 00:00:30,614
whole truth and nothing but the truth
so help you God?
5
00:00:30,697 –> 00:00:32,115
-Yes, I do.
-[woman] Thank you.
6
00:00:33,784 –> 00:00:38,205
This is Jeffrey Epstein
in his first deposition in my case.
7
00:00:38,956 –> 00:00:41,833
I represented the original girl
that was brought to police
8
00:00:41,917 –> 00:00:44,628
and gave her story
that started this investigation.
9
00:00:47,839 –> 00:00:50,092
[lawyer] Is it true, sir, that, um…
10
00:00:51,635 –> 00:00:54,972
you have what’s been described
as an egg-shaped penis?
11
00:00:57,266 –> 00:00:59,268
[lawyer] I had hired psychologists
12
00:00:59,351 –> 00:01:02,187
to do a psychological profile
on Jeffrey Epstein.
13
00:01:02,771 –> 00:01:04,398
What type of person he was
14
00:01:04,481 –> 00:01:06,984
and what would actually
get under his skin.
15
00:01:08,026 –> 00:01:12,364
What made him tick was
that he was a narcissist.
16
00:01:13,282 –> 00:01:17,077
He had no ability to feel empathy…
17
00:01:18,579 –> 00:01:20,872
and saw himself as
the „Master of Puppets,“ so to speak.
18
00:01:22,666 –> 00:01:26,920
[lawyer] Sir, one witness described
your penis as oval-shaped
19
00:01:27,337 –> 00:01:30,132
and claimed, when erect,
it was thick towards the bottom
20
00:01:30,591 –> 00:01:31,633
but was thin and small
21
00:01:31,717 –> 00:01:33,802
-towards the head portion…
-[Epstein’s lawyer] Sorry.
22
00:01:33,885 –> 00:01:36,013
[lawyer] …and called it egg-shaped.
Those are not my words.
23
00:01:36,096 –> 00:01:37,306
I apologize, but as–
24
00:01:37,389 –> 00:01:38,974
[Epstein’s lawyer]
This meeting is now adjourned.
25
00:01:39,057 –> 00:01:41,310
[lawyer] As Mr. Kreighton has stated
that this is a–
26
00:01:41,393 –> 00:01:43,895
-[indistinct dialogue]
-[Epstein’s lawyer] All right.
27
00:01:43,979 –> 00:01:45,731
[lawyer] I’m willing to continue.
28
00:01:45,814 –> 00:01:47,858
[indistinct dialogue]
29
00:01:47,941 –> 00:01:52,321
[lawyer] He tries at all times
to be the master of his domain…
30
00:01:53,655 –> 00:01:55,324
and in control of his world.
31
00:01:58,660 –> 00:02:01,288
As soon as he feels he’s out of control…
32
00:02:03,540 –> 00:02:04,750
it’s unsettling to him.
33
00:02:55,175 –> 00:02:58,220
[suspenseful music]
34
00:03:04,059 –> 00:03:07,020
[Michael Reiter] When we first turned
the case over to the FBI,
35
00:03:07,729 –> 00:03:10,148
they identified additional victims,
36
00:03:10,232 –> 00:03:12,859
and early on,
we in the Palm Beach Police Department
37
00:03:12,943 –> 00:03:14,361
helped them doing that.
38
00:03:16,863 –> 00:03:20,242
But after nearly two years…
39
00:03:20,909 –> 00:03:25,330
there was very little information flowing
from the federal side back to us.
40
00:03:26,456 –> 00:03:29,000
In fact,
they reminded us on several occasions
41
00:03:29,084 –> 00:03:31,378
that this was not
a cooperative investigation.
42
00:03:31,461 –> 00:03:32,963
It was their investigation.
43
00:03:39,386 –> 00:03:41,805
[lawyer] All of a sudden,
I had gotten a tip
44
00:03:41,888 –> 00:03:44,558
that Jeffrey Epstein was gonna be there
at the courthouse,
45
00:03:44,641 –> 00:03:45,684
but we didn’t know why.
46
00:03:47,185 –> 00:03:48,395
As I’m going through security,
47
00:03:48,478 –> 00:03:52,190
he was actually going through security
with his lawyers at the same time.
48
00:03:52,274 –> 00:03:55,193
And they were kind of rushing him
through security to get upstairs.
49
00:03:56,486 –> 00:03:57,529
The courtroom was packed,
50
00:03:58,238 –> 00:04:00,782
and obviously, at that point,
I started realizing
51
00:04:00,866 –> 00:04:02,409
that something was happening here
52
00:04:02,492 –> 00:04:04,411
that was bigger
than just a routine hearing.
53
00:04:05,996 –> 00:04:07,664
[Musgrave]
It was a very hush-hush hearing.
54
00:04:07,748 –> 00:04:11,168
It was scheduled at the last minute
despite all the time that had elapsed.
55
00:04:12,377 –> 00:04:15,046
[Spencer Kuvin] There was a point
where Mr. Epstein’s lawyers
56
00:04:15,130 –> 00:04:18,216
then took a sidebar and went up
and talked to the judge about something
57
00:04:18,300 –> 00:04:20,051
that the rest of the courtroom
couldn’t hear.
58
00:04:20,844 –> 00:04:23,847
He was ushered over to the bailiff
where he was fingerprinted
59
00:04:24,097 –> 00:04:27,434
and a DNA swab was done,
and he was then taken out of the room.
60
00:04:28,226 –> 00:04:32,981
Somehow, his lawyers had worked out a deal
with the US Attorney’s office.
61
00:04:33,398 –> 00:04:34,858
I mean, the whole thing was shocking.
62
00:04:36,318 –> 00:04:38,570
[Reiter] No one told us
in the Palm Beach Police Department
63
00:04:38,653 –> 00:04:39,988
that any of this was happening.
64
00:04:40,071 –> 00:04:45,076
Our lobby was full of the news media
because they knew about it before we did.
65
00:04:45,494 –> 00:04:48,371
Two years now after his arrest
for soliciting prostitutes,
66
00:04:48,455 –> 00:04:51,583
Palm Beach billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
pleaded guilty today.
67
00:04:51,666 –> 00:04:54,628
[female reporter] The guilty plea
and deal end a year’s long process
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that could have sent Epstein to jail
for 15 years.
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He agreed to serve a total of 18 months
in the Palm Beach Detention Facility.
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[Brad Edwards] It was outrageous.
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That’s when we learned for the first time
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there’s not a deal about to happen.
A deal actually already happened.
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It’s already done. The case is over,
and my clients are going,
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„How is the case over
when it hasn’t started?
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This doesn’t make any sense to me.“
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I told them, „None of…
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What doesn’t make sense to you right now
also doesn’t make sense to me.“
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Alex Acosta, the acting US Attorney,
should at least have to explain.
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Why did you do what you did?
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And give us the real story,
whatever it is. Just tell us why.
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Give me some explanation
for why this fucking happened.
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[male reporter] News Channel 5’s
Dori Robau is live today
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at the Palm Beach Police Department.
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When the police chief here heard
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that Epstein would be charged
with solicitation of prostitution,
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he thought that the charges ought to be
much more serious,
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and Palm Beach police chief
Michael Reiter believed a strong case
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had been made
that Epstein had sex with children.
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It’s the only case I was involved in,
in my entire career,
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that I felt as though
I really could not protect the victims.
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[man] I’ve been working together
with Brad Edwards
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on Epstein civil cases for over a decade.
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Jeffrey Epstein was given immunity
from any other state charges,
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and immunity from all federal charges,
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both for himself and for any of his named
and unnamed co-conspirators.
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It is inexplicable to me
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that any prosecutor could ever
have entered into this kind of plea deal.
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In 45 years of practice,
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I have never heard of anyone
ever entering into a plea agreement
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that not only granted immunity
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to the target of an investigation,
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but…
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handed out „get-out-of-jail-free“ cards
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to everyone
of that person’s co-conspirators,
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named and unnamed.
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[Edwards] All unknown co-conspirators
somehow also got immunity.
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There was no way
that anybody could look at this
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and think this was okay.
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[Alan Dershowitz]
The outcome of this case,
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whether people agree or disagree with it,
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doesn’t require a conspiracy
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between government officials
and wealthy people.
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Everything that we negotiated for
had to be approved by Acosta,
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by the Assistant Attorney General
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in charge of the Criminal Division
in Washington,
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by the Deputy Attorney General
of the United States,
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ultimately by the Attorney General
of the United States.
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This went through various levels.
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It was a very tough negotiation.
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Acosta mostly sat at the end of the table
and asked hard questions.
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The issue was whether or not
the federal government could make a case
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based on the evidence they had
of the commission of a federal crime,
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and my job was to try to persuade them
they could not make that case.
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[Kuvin] Jeffrey Epstein and his team
was just this huge train
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of money, power, and influence
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that was just barreling down
on the State’s Attorney’s office,
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the US Attorney’s office,
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just trying to get their way
and eventually getting their way.
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[Dershowitz] In the end,
they decided that they’d be better off
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getting a bird in the hand
versus two in the bush,
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and they agreed to have him plead guilty
to State charges, get a sentence,
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and then make massive compensation
to the alleged victims.
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I can tell you one interesting thing:
at the end,
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Jeffrey Epstein didn’t think
we made a very good deal.
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He was pretty upset with us.
He thought he could have done better.
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Hi, uh… Jeffrey. It’s George Rush.
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-[Epstein] George, how are you?
–[Rush] Good.
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[Rush] Do you want to say anything
just about the way
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your agreement has been characterized
as a secret, back-room sweetheart deal
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that somehow, through
the political connections of your lawyers,
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they obtained it.
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[Epstein] George, it’s total bullshit.
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On closer examination,
you’ll find my penalty was harsher,
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not less, harsher than anyone else
who’s ever been charged
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-with solicitation of prostitution.
-[Rush] Mm-hmm.
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[Epstein] No girl ever came to my house.
First of all, I never left my house.
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So any girl who came to my house
was coming to my house to get money,
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to earn money.
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New York, by the way,
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you should understand,
for the same charge,
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-it… it’s a $100 fine.
-[Rush] Mm-hmm.
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[Epstein] That’s the charge in New York
for this behavior.
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-Now so.. It’s two charges.
-[Rush] Yes.
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[Epstein] So we’re clear, one charge was
solicitation of prostitution.
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That’s nothing to do with minors.
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Simply solicitation of prostitution.
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The other charge that related to a minor
was procuring a minor…
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for engaging in prostitution.
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So that was the only two
and none of those… None…
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Neither one of the charges
nor any allegation
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of alleged sexual intercourse
at any time or any type.
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The state charge is simply
a procurement charge.
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It has nothing to do with sex.
It’s a procurement for prostitution.
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[Rush] Well, what–
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[Epstein] If you look,
even up until six months ago,
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soliciting a 16-year-old prostitute was
a Class D misdemeanor,
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which was a fine of $100,
similar to jay-walking.
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They labeled us as underage prostitutes
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and it’s embarrassing
to be identified as that.
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It’s embarrassing. It’s hurtful.
It’s all kinds of things.
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These girls were not prostitutes.
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These girls were middle school
and high school kids… Children.
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The victims are left beaten
and destroyed and with no answers.
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[Michelle Licata] I was shocked
when I read that there was a plea deal.
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I didn’t know you could make a deal
with the government
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and, you know, get a lesser sentence
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just based upon
how much power and money you have.
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[Courtney Wild] Justice wasn’t served.
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Everybody looked the other way.
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And we find out
that what the government did was
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they kept the victims in the dark
so we didn’t have our day in court.
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So, yeah,
I was sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein,
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but I was re-victimized
by the same government
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that’s supposed to protect us.
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They muted our voices,
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so I was… Yeah, I was angry.
I’m still very angry.
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[Shawna Rivera] I think that this
is common for people like Jeff.
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I think that they often don’t have to…
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face the consequences for their actions.
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I just wanted Jeff to be prosecuted.
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I wanted him to, like, not be able
to dig his way out of it with money.
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And then I found out
that this deal was made
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where the records were sealed and, like,
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my ability to do anything criminally
against him was… was gone.
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I was really upset about it.
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I was mad about it and I didn’t…
know where to go from there.
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[Edwards] Almost immediately
after the non-prosecution agreement
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was secretly signed between
Jeffrey Epstein and the government,
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I tell all of my clients
I have to fight this.
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And the best thing that I can do is
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to enforce your rights
under the Crime Victims Rights Act,
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which ensures that victims,
in criminal cases,
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um… have certain basic rights,
which include the right
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to confer with the prosecutor on the case
before there’s a resolution of the case.
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We had to file a lawsuit.
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[Jack Scarola] If a court says
these victims were entitled to be heard,
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there may be a new hearing
in front of a federal judge
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where these victims have a right
to express their opposition to this deal,
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and a judge could decide,
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Jeffrey Epstein,
you did enter into a contract
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that was illegal from the outset.
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It is going to be voided.
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You have no immunity.
The federal government has the right…
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to prosecute you
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and the right to prosecute
your co-conspirators.
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One of the next things that we did was
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we requested
all of the email correspondence
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between the US Attorney’s office
and Jeffrey Epstein
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to support our allegation
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that there was this concerted effort
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to…
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arrive at a secret deal
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without the victims knowing.
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There were so many unusual occurrences
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that went on in connection
with the negotiation
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of this non-prosecution agreement.
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There were hundreds
of email communications
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that got exchanged.
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[Mike Fisten] We found out Marie Villafaña
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was sending emails
back and forth to Jeffrey’s lawyers
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asking them
if they wanted to make any changes.
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I mean, at one point in her emails,
she’s telling Jeffrey’s lawyers,
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„Don’t email me at the office anymore.
Here’s my Gmail. Email me at my Gmail.“
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[Scarola] Mr. Acosta holds some meetings
outside the US Attorney’s office,
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outside lawyers‘ offices…
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in a room at the Marriott hotel
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that were clearly intended to preserve
the secrecy of the negotiations
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that were going on.
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If any of the victims knew
what was going on in this conspiracy
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between Jeffrey Epstein
and the government,
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they could have blown the whole thing up.
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Before the plea deal,
I think the focus was really on Florida.
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They didn’t really realize it expanded
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with victims being trafficked,
and traveled, and lent out
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around the country and around the world.
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[Edwards] I’m reading from the complaint
filed by Virginia Roberts against you.
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Isn’t it true, sir,
that a friend of yours sent you
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three 12-year-old…
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females for you to sexually abuse
on one of your birthdays?
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[Epstein’s lawyer] Form argumentative,
harassing,
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-and irrelevant to this lawsuit.
-Excuse me,
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but could you…
You’re saying that’s part of the lawsuit?
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[Edwards] Yeah, I’ll read it directly.
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[Giuffre]
It was Jeffrey’s birthday one year.
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I don’t remember what year it was,
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but I would say
it’s a good year into our… you know…
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…our relationship,
our knowing each other,
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and he was laughing about the fact that
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his friend sent him
three 12-year-old girls
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that he had purchased from their parents.
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[Edwards] „On one
of defendant Epstein’s birthdays,
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a friend of defendant Epstein
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sent him three 12-year-old girls
from France, who spoke no English,
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for the defendant
to sexually exploit and abuse.
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After doing so, they were sent
back to France the next day.“
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-Isn’t that true?
-[Epstein’s lawyer] Once again,
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I’m going to move to strike.
Irrelevant, argumentative, harassing.
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[Edwards] All right.
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I would like to answer that question.
I really would.
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However, today my attorneys have told me
I have to assert my Fifth Amendment,
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Sixth Amendment,
and Fourteenth Amendment rights
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under the US Constitution.
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[Edwards] You’re invoking
your Fifth Amendment rights
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to each of these questions
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because you know
that your answers will incriminate you
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and you feel… uh, that it will result
in you being prosecuted for these crimes,
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isn’t that right?
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[Epstein’s lawyer] Objection.
Argumentative, harassing,
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and calls for a legal conclusion.
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[man] Answer.
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No, in fact
the Supreme Court recently said
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that the Fifth Amendment right is there
to protect the innocent,
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so that’s why I’d like to answer that.
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[church bell ringing]
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[ringing continues]
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[woman] I love it here in Spain
because it’s so far away…
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that Jeffrey Epstein
could never find me here.
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My name is Sarah Ransome.
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In 2006,
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I was sexually trafficked
by Jeffrey Epstein.
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I’d just turned 22
when I decided to go to New York.
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New York’s where everyone’s dreams
come true.
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I packed my bags, really excited,
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and I landed in New York
on the first of September.
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However, I didn’t know anyone.
I didn’t have that much money.
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I was there for about two weeks,
and one night I went to a club called Quo,
297
00:18:45,207 –> 00:18:47,460
and I met this girl, Natalya Malyshev.
298
00:18:47,835 –> 00:18:52,173
She immediately befriended me.
She became like my instant best friend.
299
00:18:52,256 –> 00:18:56,302
She said that she knew this amazing guy.
He was a philanthropist.
300
00:18:56,385 –> 00:19:00,389
This guy genuinely is a really kind guy,
301
00:19:00,473 –> 00:19:04,560
and, you know, whatever my dream is,
he can make it come true.
302
00:19:07,104 –> 00:19:10,691
Natalya said,
„This guy would really like to meet you.
303
00:19:10,900 –> 00:19:12,318
We’re going to the cinema.“
304
00:19:13,694 –> 00:19:15,488
It was Jeffrey, of course.
305
00:19:18,115 –> 00:19:20,534
He was charming, charismatic,
306
00:19:21,077 –> 00:19:23,120
friendly, um, caring,
307
00:19:23,204 –> 00:19:25,623
where he actually listened to me.
308
00:19:27,083 –> 00:19:28,417
And then I get a call, like,
309
00:19:28,501 –> 00:19:31,462
I think it was the next day
or like two days after,
310
00:19:31,545 –> 00:19:33,547
and it was Natalya going,
311
00:19:34,048 –> 00:19:35,341
„You’ll never believe it.
312
00:19:35,716 –> 00:19:37,301
Jeffrey really thought you were cool.“
313
00:19:38,803 –> 00:19:42,348
This guy wants to help me out,
pay for my education.
314
00:19:42,431 –> 00:19:46,018
He was going to get me
into the Fashion Institute of Technology.
315
00:19:47,770 –> 00:19:49,814
Natalya said,
„And he’s got this private island,
316
00:19:49,897 –> 00:19:53,901
and we’re going on his private plane,
and it’s amazing.
317
00:19:53,984 –> 00:19:56,362
It’s like a tropical paradise and…“
318
00:19:56,445 –> 00:19:59,490
I’m, like, down for going
to a private island on a private plane.
319
00:20:03,494 –> 00:20:07,790
It was on that first plane journey
that something peculiar happened.
320
00:20:10,376 –> 00:20:16,340
Jeffrey started having hardcore sex
in front of everybody with another girl.
321
00:20:17,425 –> 00:20:20,845
And everyone else was sort of
pretending to be asleep and ignoring it,
322
00:20:20,928 –> 00:20:24,140
and I just found it really odd
that no one wa…
323
00:20:24,223 –> 00:20:25,891
no one was saying or reacting…
324
00:20:25,975 –> 00:20:29,103
So I just pretended to sort of nod off.
I didn’t know where to look.
325
00:20:29,186 –> 00:20:34,024
It was traumatizing.
It’s still a very vivid memory for me,
326
00:20:34,608 –> 00:20:36,068
and I should have known then.
327
00:20:36,152 –> 00:20:38,696
I should have trusted my instincts,
but I…
328
00:20:39,989 –> 00:20:40,823
I didn’t.
329
00:20:46,620 –> 00:20:49,206
[seabirds squawking]
330
00:20:53,878 –> 00:20:57,298
[Gordon Ackley] The island is, uh,
approximately 75 acres.
331
00:20:58,966 –> 00:21:01,552
From St. Thomas,
it’s about a ten-minute ride
332
00:21:01,635 –> 00:21:04,597
by passenger boat out to the island.
333
00:21:05,556 –> 00:21:08,476
This is Mr. Epstein’s, uh,
principal residence,
334
00:21:08,768 –> 00:21:11,187
which is the island of Little Saint James.
335
00:21:12,521 –> 00:21:18,110
Mr. Epstein built little cabanas
and beach houses all across the island.
336
00:21:19,278 –> 00:21:21,030
The blue roof…
337
00:21:22,156 –> 00:21:27,119
that is closest to the water was
Mr. Epstein’s personal residence.
338
00:21:27,661 –> 00:21:31,457
And the main house and the guest house,
that’s where the guests would stay.
339
00:21:33,167 –> 00:21:36,295
He is not representative of the people
of the Virgin Islands,
340
00:21:36,378 –> 00:21:37,379
I can tell you that.
341
00:21:38,005 –> 00:21:40,966
But being on an island by yourself,
342
00:21:41,425 –> 00:21:43,969
I guess he felt he could do
whatever he wanted.
343
00:21:48,766 –> 00:21:52,311
[Giuffre] The island, that was one
of Jeffrey’s favorite places to go
344
00:21:52,394 –> 00:21:53,896
because it was so isolated.
345
00:21:55,064 –> 00:21:57,024
There’s no doubt that it was beautiful.
346
00:21:57,441 –> 00:21:58,526
It has a nickname,
347
00:21:59,026 –> 00:22:00,444
the Pedophile Island,
348
00:22:00,945 –> 00:22:03,155
but that wasn’t
the nickname Jeffrey gave it.
349
00:22:03,781 –> 00:22:05,533
It was Little Saint Jeff’s.
350
00:22:06,283 –> 00:22:07,535
That was his nickname for it.
351
00:22:08,953 –> 00:22:12,790
But it really is Orgy Island,
because that’s what happened there.
352
00:22:13,207 –> 00:22:15,501
That was what that island meant to me.
353
00:22:21,507 –> 00:22:24,009
I started working on the island in 1999
354
00:22:24,385 –> 00:22:29,640
and worked until either the end of 2005
or the start of 2006.
355
00:22:30,432 –> 00:22:33,811
I was there for maintenance
on Jeffrey Epstein’s telecommunications
356
00:22:33,894 –> 00:22:35,271
and data equipment.
357
00:22:37,022 –> 00:22:38,649
He wanted a private cellular network.
358
00:22:40,192 –> 00:22:42,695
Privacy was very important
to Jeffrey Epstein.
359
00:22:43,487 –> 00:22:45,698
I was on the island probably
a hundred times.
360
00:22:45,781 –> 00:22:49,410
I was ultimately in every…
[chuckling] single building
361
00:22:49,493 –> 00:22:51,745
that existed on the island at that time.
362
00:22:53,038 –> 00:22:56,792
And I would say every other month
I would see guests on the island,
363
00:22:56,876 –> 00:22:59,795
and the guests almost always included
young girls.
364
00:23:01,422 –> 00:23:04,884
One time I went to the Grotto,
the little beach,
365
00:23:04,967 –> 00:23:06,218
as it was coined,
366
00:23:06,635 –> 00:23:08,429
and when I walked down
367
00:23:08,512 –> 00:23:12,516
there was a gentleman who was not Jeffrey
and three girls.
368
00:23:13,100 –> 00:23:14,643
The three girls were topless.
369
00:23:14,727 –> 00:23:15,811
Um…
370
00:23:15,895 –> 00:23:20,024
The gentleman was, uh… nude.
371
00:23:20,858 –> 00:23:22,067
I left immediately.
372
00:23:23,944 –> 00:23:26,739
Sometimes there were other people
on the island
373
00:23:27,114 –> 00:23:28,490
that were important people.
374
00:23:29,783 –> 00:23:31,785
I saw Alan Dershowitz on the island.
375
00:23:32,161 –> 00:23:34,413
It was more of a business meeting.
376
00:23:34,496 –> 00:23:38,125
Another time,
I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey
377
00:23:38,208 –> 00:23:40,461
on the living room porch area,
378
00:23:40,878 –> 00:23:42,630
which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot.
379
00:23:43,756 –> 00:23:46,300
I saw no other guests there
at that time at all.
380
00:23:46,383 –> 00:23:50,721
I just said, „Hey, you know, wow…
Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.“
381
00:23:51,972 –> 00:23:53,849
[Giuffre] Not all the men took part.
382
00:23:54,642 –> 00:23:56,936
I have, you know,
seen people on the island
383
00:23:57,019 –> 00:24:00,522
that came for a lunch or a dinner,
and they didn’t stay very long.
384
00:24:02,483 –> 00:24:05,694
[Steve Scully] Jeffrey hung out with a lot
of powerful and well-known figures,
385
00:24:06,111 –> 00:24:10,282
both politically and financially,
and I mean…
386
00:24:10,741 –> 00:24:12,034
British royalty.
387
00:24:13,452 –> 00:24:15,829
It was probably around 2004,
388
00:24:15,913 –> 00:24:18,374
I saw Prince Andrew. He was at the pool.
389
00:24:19,166 –> 00:24:24,046
He was with, at that time,
an unknown girl to me.
390
00:24:24,588 –> 00:24:27,007
She was young. She didn’t have any top on.
391
00:24:27,383 –> 00:24:29,093
They were engaged in foreplay.
392
00:24:29,551 –> 00:24:30,386
He was…
393
00:24:31,845 –> 00:24:34,181
grabbing her and grinding against her.
394
00:24:35,432 –> 00:24:38,352
You know, you tell yourself
that you didn’t know for sure.
395
00:24:38,435 –> 00:24:41,146
You never really saw anything.
396
00:24:42,314 –> 00:24:43,941
But that’s just all rationalization.
397
00:24:45,275 –> 00:24:49,655
Jeffrey Epstein, he was a guy
that concealed his deviance very well.
398
00:24:50,739 –> 00:24:52,491
But he didn’t conceal it that well.
399
00:24:54,118 –> 00:24:56,537
One day, the pool guy’s on the island
when I get there.
400
00:24:57,246 –> 00:24:58,956
He said, „Why are you doing this?“
401
00:24:59,206 –> 00:25:00,082
And I said,
402
00:25:00,499 –> 00:25:03,293
„I don’t know. I really… The money.“
403
00:25:03,752 –> 00:25:05,838
And he said, „Do you have any children?“
404
00:25:05,921 –> 00:25:09,091
And I said, „Yeah,
I have two daughters, 13 and 15.“
405
00:25:09,675 –> 00:25:13,303
And he said, „Would you let your daughters
come to the island?“
406
00:25:13,721 –> 00:25:15,681
And when he said that,
407
00:25:16,098 –> 00:25:20,602
I realized I wouldn’t let my two children
within five miles of that man.
408
00:25:21,812 –> 00:25:23,063
And I quit the next day.
409
00:25:26,525 –> 00:25:28,402
I don’t believe
Jeffrey Epstein ever regretted
410
00:25:28,485 –> 00:25:30,612
a single thing he did in his life.
411
00:25:31,613 –> 00:25:35,534
I think that
he’s one of those kinds of sociopaths
412
00:25:35,909 –> 00:25:41,749
that could afford to live out
his perversions in any way that he wanted.
413
00:25:47,337 –> 00:25:50,674
[Sarah Ransome] At the US Virgin Islands,
you’ve got authorities going, you know,
414
00:25:50,758 –> 00:25:52,676
„Hello, Mr. Epstein,
nice to see you again,“
415
00:25:52,760 –> 00:25:54,762
welcoming him at the airport
416
00:25:54,845 –> 00:25:56,722
as if he’s some sort of celebrity,
417
00:25:57,181 –> 00:26:00,059
with about five girls trailing behind,
418
00:26:00,142 –> 00:26:02,061
and no one said anything.
419
00:26:02,770 –> 00:26:05,939
And I think that they knew.
420
00:26:06,356 –> 00:26:09,068
The airport staff knew.
The flight controllers knew.
421
00:26:09,151 –> 00:26:12,071
The pilots knew. The landing guys knew.
422
00:26:12,154 –> 00:26:14,698
The guys that are
even taking the luggage off knew.
423
00:26:15,199 –> 00:26:16,241
They all knew.
424
00:26:22,915 –> 00:26:25,375
From the very first day
that I arrived on the island,
425
00:26:25,459 –> 00:26:26,502
the abuse started.
426
00:26:28,170 –> 00:26:31,715
Natalya called me
and said that he, um…
427
00:26:31,799 –> 00:26:34,176
wanted to see me in… in his room.
428
00:26:35,302 –> 00:26:37,554
And there was this massage table,
429
00:26:37,638 –> 00:26:40,224
and then I was asked to go on the table.
430
00:26:42,768 –> 00:26:43,936
He just raped me.
431
00:26:46,939 –> 00:26:47,773
It…
432
00:26:48,607 –> 00:26:50,818
It was like lying on a surgeon’s table
433
00:26:51,235 –> 00:26:54,196
and someone doing things to you
434
00:26:54,446 –> 00:26:57,741
that you have no control over.
You’re… You’re powerless.
435
00:26:58,200 –> 00:26:59,284
I was trapped.
436
00:27:00,494 –> 00:27:03,705
From the very first day,
I think I was in such shock
437
00:27:04,373 –> 00:27:07,251
because I think the more he saw
438
00:27:07,334 –> 00:27:10,712
you being damaged,
the more he enjoyed it…
439
00:27:11,755 –> 00:27:13,215
the more it excited him.
440
00:27:33,360 –> 00:27:35,863
This area here reminds me of
441
00:27:35,946 –> 00:27:39,074
the evening
when I tried to escape the island
442
00:27:39,449 –> 00:27:42,077
after I had been raped three times
that day.
443
00:27:44,371 –> 00:27:46,081
[voice breaking] And he would do things,
444
00:27:46,832 –> 00:27:48,625
so… [crying]
445
00:27:48,709 –> 00:27:50,711
[sobbing] It was… Sorry.
446
00:27:54,923 –> 00:27:58,719
[sobbing] He did things
that no man should ever do to a woman.
447
00:27:59,845 –> 00:28:01,513
And he did it all the time,
448
00:28:01,597 –> 00:28:03,807
and, you know,
that day I’d just had enough.
449
00:28:05,684 –> 00:28:08,604
My plan was just to swim away.
450
00:28:09,521 –> 00:28:12,649
And I specifically went
to a remote part of the island.
451
00:28:13,859 –> 00:28:17,821
Before I’d even gathered my thoughts
as to how I was going to climb down,
452
00:28:17,905 –> 00:28:22,534
uh… get into the ocean, swim away,
Jeffrey Epstein found me
453
00:28:23,035 –> 00:28:26,747
almost immediately. He knew exactly
where I was, the location…
454
00:28:27,247 –> 00:28:28,123
Um…
455
00:28:28,207 –> 00:28:32,586
And I knew then that I was being filmed.
I was being watched 24/7.
456
00:28:33,045 –> 00:28:36,381
There were cameras all over the island,
and he got me back.
457
00:28:44,514 –> 00:28:47,184
[woman] Jeffrey’s Island:
it’s like smoke and mirrors.
458
00:28:47,684 –> 00:28:49,603
Some really bad stuff happened there.
459
00:28:50,562 –> 00:28:51,897
I’m Chauntae Davies,
460
00:28:51,980 –> 00:28:56,693
and I first met Jeffrey Epstein
at 21 years old.
461
00:28:58,070 –> 00:29:01,365
I worked for Jeffrey
as a professional masseuse.
462
00:29:01,865 –> 00:29:03,242
It was the end of 2001
463
00:29:03,325 –> 00:29:05,786
when they said,
„We’re flying to Jeffrey’s island.“
464
00:29:06,495 –> 00:29:08,789
And here I was going
to this private island in…
465
00:29:08,872 –> 00:29:12,292
in the… in the Caribbean
and, you know, just all this was just
466
00:29:12,376 –> 00:29:14,044
so foreign to me that I just, you know,
467
00:29:14,127 –> 00:29:18,215
I was… I started to get very excited
because I was starting to really see
468
00:29:18,298 –> 00:29:19,883
the perks of working for them.
469
00:29:22,219 –> 00:29:23,804
They showed me around the island,
470
00:29:23,887 –> 00:29:26,014
the various villas
and where I was staying.
471
00:29:27,599 –> 00:29:30,060
So after dinner that night,
I went back to my room,
472
00:29:30,644 –> 00:29:33,897
and then Sarah Kellen, their assistant,
came knocking on my door and said,
473
00:29:33,981 –> 00:29:35,941
„Jeffrey is ready for his massage now.“
474
00:29:37,985 –> 00:29:39,987
[sinister music]
475
00:29:40,988 –> 00:29:43,991
[Chauntae Davies] It started to feel
like this is not… this is not okay.
476
00:29:44,074 –> 00:29:46,076
This is not…
This isn’t going somewhere good.
477
00:29:48,996 –> 00:29:51,290
I began the massage like I always did,
478
00:29:51,915 –> 00:29:56,420
and then he flipped around,
and he threw me on the bed
479
00:29:56,503 –> 00:29:58,755
by holding my wrists together
and raped me.
480
00:30:02,884 –> 00:30:05,887
He… jumped off the bed
and got in the shower,
481
00:30:05,971 –> 00:30:10,767
and I just jumped off the bed also,
and ran out of the door,
482
00:30:10,851 –> 00:30:12,769
and ran all the way back to my villa.
483
00:30:13,478 –> 00:30:17,149
I’d left my shoes behind
and was barefoot running back,
484
00:30:17,232 –> 00:30:21,028
and by the time I got back to my villa,
my feet were… were a bloody mess,
485
00:30:21,111 –> 00:30:24,156
and then I just cried myself to sleep
that night and…
486
00:30:25,365 –> 00:30:28,535
woke up the next day and tried to pretend
like it didn’t happen.
487
00:30:29,661 –> 00:30:32,998
Did I resist? Absolutely.
Did I say no? Yes, I did.
488
00:30:33,415 –> 00:30:34,875
Did I fight? No, I didn’t.
489
00:30:35,083 –> 00:30:35,917
Um…
490
00:30:37,419 –> 00:30:38,962
You know, I was terrified.
491
00:30:39,046 –> 00:30:41,006
[voice breaking] I was isolated
on a private island
492
00:30:41,089 –> 00:30:42,382
in the middle of nowhere and…
493
00:30:43,008 –> 00:30:43,842
Um…
494
00:30:46,178 –> 00:30:47,012
[sighs]
495
00:30:48,305 –> 00:30:50,223
Just didn’t, you know…
496
00:30:50,849 –> 00:30:52,225
Just let it happen.
497
00:31:06,239 –> 00:31:09,117
Jeffrey Epstein went to jail
just before 10:00 this morning.
498
00:31:09,201 –> 00:31:11,036
He pleaded guilty in open court.
499
00:31:11,119 –> 00:31:14,706
He agreed to serve a total of 18 months
in the Palm Beach Detention Facility.
500
00:31:14,790 –> 00:31:17,584
[man] It was negotiated between
the federal government and the state
501
00:31:17,667 –> 00:31:21,129
that Mr. Epstein would serve his time
at a county jail…
502
00:31:21,797 –> 00:31:22,756
which was ours.
503
00:31:26,051 –> 00:31:29,429
Mr. Epstein stayed in T dorm,
504
00:31:29,513 –> 00:31:31,890
which is located
where my finger is pointing.
505
00:31:33,058 –> 00:31:36,686
Describing this as a jail sentence
506
00:31:37,187 –> 00:31:40,190
is grossly misleading.
507
00:31:40,649 –> 00:31:44,986
He served it
in a private wing of the jail.
508
00:31:45,445 –> 00:31:47,280
[Edwards] His cell door was left open.
509
00:31:47,364 –> 00:31:50,117
He was provided food
that other people didn’t get to eat.
510
00:31:50,200 –> 00:31:51,910
He was provided a TV room.
511
00:31:51,993 –> 00:31:54,371
He got to meet with his lawyers
almost around the clock
512
00:31:54,454 –> 00:31:57,916
when he was at the jail facility.
513
00:32:00,836 –> 00:32:04,256
[Michael Gauger] Mr. Epstein was given
work release that he qualified for
514
00:32:04,339 –> 00:32:06,007
immediately upon his entry.
515
00:32:08,135 –> 00:32:10,011
[Edwards] Are you released from jail
at some time?
516
00:32:10,095 –> 00:32:12,514
Do you have to report back to jail
on a daily basis?
517
00:32:13,098 –> 00:32:15,225
Yes, I report back to jail at 8:00 p.m.
518
00:32:15,767 –> 00:32:17,310
[Edwards stammers] Every single day?
519
00:32:17,978 –> 00:32:18,812
Yes, sir.
520
00:32:18,895 –> 00:32:22,149
[Edwards] And is it seven days a week
that you’re out on work release?
521
00:32:22,232 –> 00:32:23,066
No, sir.
522
00:32:23,150 –> 00:32:25,527
[Edwards] How many days a week
are you out on work release?
523
00:32:25,652 –> 00:32:26,486
Six.
524
00:32:26,945 –> 00:32:28,280
[Edwards] And of those six days,
525
00:32:28,363 –> 00:32:30,949
how many hours per day
are you out on work release?
526
00:32:31,032 –> 00:32:31,867
Twelve.
527
00:32:33,243 –> 00:32:38,081
For sex offenders to be on work release
makes no sense to me.
528
00:32:40,375 –> 00:32:43,170
[Gauger] Every other inmate
would be given the same privileges
529
00:32:43,253 –> 00:32:44,713
if they met the parameters.
530
00:32:45,797 –> 00:32:50,218
Mr. Epstein had to file
for a work permit application,
531
00:32:50,302 –> 00:32:52,179
and that’s what I have in my hand.
532
00:32:53,138 –> 00:32:56,433
„Participants shall not engage in
or have contact with any person
533
00:32:56,516 –> 00:32:58,435
that’s engaged in illegal activities.“
534
00:33:00,353 –> 00:33:03,190
Part of the agreement was
an off-duty deputy
535
00:33:03,273 –> 00:33:06,026
that he would be responsible
for the salaries of
536
00:33:06,276 –> 00:33:11,406
that would be with him the entire time
of, uh… at his office.
537
00:33:12,491 –> 00:33:16,745
It was approximately $42 an hour
for a deputy to be with him.
538
00:33:17,204 –> 00:33:19,206
So that’s 12 hours per day.
539
00:33:19,831 –> 00:33:22,250
Here are the payments
that were made by Epstein,
540
00:33:22,667 –> 00:33:27,297
uh, with a total of $128,136.
541
00:33:29,799 –> 00:33:33,303
[Edwards] At the office,
he was able to ask other females
542
00:33:33,386 –> 00:33:34,679
to send him photographs.
543
00:33:35,263 –> 00:33:39,100
He was able to fly girls in.
He was able to engage in sexual acts.
544
00:33:40,143 –> 00:33:44,397
[Gauger] We were given Mr. Epstein
under conditions that we were not used to,
545
00:33:45,023 –> 00:33:47,609
and we did the very best we could
546
00:33:47,692 –> 00:33:49,444
under the parameters that we had.
547
00:33:53,240 –> 00:33:55,909
[Musgrave] It’s hard to decide
which part of the deal is the worst,
548
00:33:55,992 –> 00:33:59,454
but I think probably the biggest laugh was
that he was allowed to leave.
549
00:33:59,538 –> 00:34:00,497
So he was just like,
550
00:34:00,580 –> 00:34:02,582
he was staying at a really bad motel.
551
00:34:03,875 –> 00:34:05,627
[Ransome] He did jail, whatever that is,
552
00:34:05,710 –> 00:34:07,963
but you know a Holiday Inn.
[chuckles] Great.
553
00:34:08,046 –> 00:34:11,675
So, I’ve been raped over and over again
554
00:34:12,300 –> 00:34:17,889
because Alex Acosta didn’t have
the balls or the courage to protect us.
555
00:34:26,773 –> 00:34:30,819
[reporter 1] A few steps, a smile,
and a wave to the deputy at the door.
556
00:34:30,902 –> 00:34:33,238
We watched Jeffrey Epstein
walk out of jail,
557
00:34:33,321 –> 00:34:35,365
but only his attorneys heard from him.
558
00:34:35,448 –> 00:34:37,617
He’s very happy
that his jail sentence is over,
559
00:34:37,701 –> 00:34:40,036
and, uh, he can begin a new chapter
in his life.
560
00:34:45,500 –> 00:34:48,044
[reporter 2] Palm Beach billionaire
Jeffrey Epstein is waking up
561
00:34:48,128 –> 00:34:49,546
in his mansion this morning
562
00:34:49,629 –> 00:34:52,465
after serving just 13 months
of his 18 month sentence
563
00:34:52,549 –> 00:34:54,718
for paying underage girls for sex.
564
00:34:55,510 –> 00:34:58,763
[reporter 3] Epstein will serve 12 months
house arrest at his Palm Beach home.
565
00:34:58,847 –> 00:35:00,765
The 54-year-old will be confined
to his home
566
00:35:00,849 –> 00:35:04,269
except for work and other activities
approved by his probation officer.
567
00:35:06,938 –> 00:35:10,233
[Fisten] In 2009,
after Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail,
568
00:35:10,317 –> 00:35:12,861
victims‘ attorney Brad Edwards asked me
569
00:35:12,944 –> 00:35:16,239
to follow Jeffrey to see
if he was abiding by his probation.
570
00:35:18,408 –> 00:35:21,870
So we’re about a block and a half east
of Jeffrey’s house.
571
00:35:22,829 –> 00:35:26,791
The street here, you get a good view
of who would come in and out of his gate.
572
00:35:26,875 –> 00:35:28,460
[camera shutter clicking]
573
00:35:31,129 –> 00:35:32,172
[camera shutter clicking]
574
00:35:33,506 –> 00:35:36,885
[Fisten] There was a couple of occasions
where we knew Jeffrey was hiding
575
00:35:36,968 –> 00:35:38,511
in the car when he left.
576
00:35:40,055 –> 00:35:43,683
He would violate his probation
almost on a daily basis.
577
00:35:47,437 –> 00:35:51,358
There’s 11 pages here
of just different violations.
578
00:35:52,400 –> 00:35:56,154
I think I myself documented
66 different days
579
00:35:56,237 –> 00:35:58,114
that he violated his probation.
580
00:35:59,240 –> 00:36:00,784
On this particular day…
581
00:36:00,867 –> 00:36:03,286
-[camera shutter clicking]
-…Epstein left his house…
582
00:36:03,370 –> 00:36:04,663
[camera shutter clicking]
583
00:36:04,746 –> 00:36:08,583
…and drove to South Beach where he met
with Alan Dershowitz at a hotel.
584
00:36:08,667 –> 00:36:09,959
[camera shutter clicking]
585
00:36:10,043 –> 00:36:12,420
[Fisten] This is pictures
of his bodyguard, Igor,
586
00:36:12,504 –> 00:36:14,297
outside waiting for them to come out.
587
00:36:14,964 –> 00:36:16,257
That’s his Escalade.
588
00:36:16,341 –> 00:36:19,594
I had contacted the probation
and said, „Do you know where Jeffrey is?“
589
00:36:19,678 –> 00:36:21,763
And she said,
„Yeah, he’s home at his house.“
590
00:36:21,846 –> 00:36:24,599
I said, „No he’s not.
He’s at a hotel down in Miami.“
591
00:36:25,433 –> 00:36:28,019
I waited outside for Jeffrey to leave.
592
00:36:28,103 –> 00:36:31,106
I just got out of my car with my camera
and I said, „Hey, smile.“
593
00:36:31,189 –> 00:36:32,399
[camera shutter clicking]
594
00:36:34,859 –> 00:36:37,320
-[camera shutter clicking]
-[Fisten] He would go to New York…
595
00:36:37,570 –> 00:36:38,571
to his island.
596
00:36:39,656 –> 00:36:41,616
He would go to the airport,
jump in his helicopter.
597
00:36:41,700 –> 00:36:44,327
Who knows where he went
without telling anybody?
598
00:36:44,744 –> 00:36:47,455
Every time I brought
the probation office a case,
599
00:36:47,706 –> 00:36:49,541
they kept telling me the same thing.
600
00:36:49,624 –> 00:36:52,168
„What would you like us to do?
He’s a celebrity.“
601
00:36:52,252 –> 00:36:54,003
I mean, just think about this.
602
00:36:54,212 –> 00:36:56,881
You have a pedophile out on probation.
603
00:36:57,549 –> 00:37:00,176
To violate probation
in the state of Florida is illegal,
604
00:37:00,635 –> 00:37:02,137
except for Jeffrey Epstein.
605
00:37:02,220 –> 00:37:03,221
[camera shutter clicks]
606
00:37:11,771 –> 00:37:14,941
[Davies] In 2002,
Jeffrey’s office asked me
607
00:37:15,024 –> 00:37:17,485
if I wanted to go on a trip to Africa.
608
00:37:18,737 –> 00:37:23,825
I was reluctant to go
because I was traumatized on the island,
609
00:37:23,908 –> 00:37:26,953
but I developed the sort of mentality
610
00:37:27,036 –> 00:37:28,997
that as long as I didn’t talk
about the abuse,
611
00:37:29,080 –> 00:37:30,457
it didn’t really happen.
612
00:37:30,540 –> 00:37:34,085
It was something that, you know,
I’d kind of been conditioned to
613
00:37:34,169 –> 00:37:35,795
from my childhood. Just, you know,
614
00:37:35,879 –> 00:37:38,047
there was so many tragedies
and traumas that happened,
615
00:37:38,131 –> 00:37:39,924
and none of it was ever talked about.
616
00:37:40,633 –> 00:37:42,927
So Ghislaine got
on one of the phone calls and said,
617
00:37:43,011 –> 00:37:45,847
„This is a great opportunity,
and we’d love to have you.“
618
00:37:45,930 –> 00:37:47,474
I went from just the masseuse
619
00:37:47,557 –> 00:37:50,518
to being asked to be a personal assistant
on this trip.
620
00:37:50,935 –> 00:37:55,273
So I was blinded by the opportunity of it.
621
00:37:56,024 –> 00:37:57,609
I hadn’t gone anywhere really
622
00:37:57,692 –> 00:38:00,028
and to go to Africa was like
a dream come true.
623
00:38:01,237 –> 00:38:03,198
I flew from L.A. to New York.
624
00:38:03,281 –> 00:38:05,950
The plane was ready on the tarmac
when I got there,
625
00:38:06,034 –> 00:38:07,494
and I took a seat.
626
00:38:09,412 –> 00:38:12,415
Then… our… our guests arrived.
627
00:38:13,541 –> 00:38:15,335
It was Bill Clinton,
628
00:38:15,960 –> 00:38:18,296
Kevin Spacey, and Chris Tucker.
629
00:38:18,379 –> 00:38:19,339
I was…
630
00:38:19,881 –> 00:38:21,299
blown away, like, „Oh, my God!“
631
00:38:21,382 –> 00:38:22,425
It was surreal.
632
00:38:23,343 –> 00:38:25,512
But the trip was
about the AIDS organization
633
00:38:25,595 –> 00:38:26,888
that Clinton had started.
634
00:38:27,430 –> 00:38:32,018
This trip to Africa
is probably the single most…
635
00:38:33,019 –> 00:38:35,688
amazing moment of my life.
636
00:38:37,398 –> 00:38:39,818
And I remember having
this false belief that
637
00:38:40,443 –> 00:38:43,488
the abuse had stopped
because nothing had happened in Africa,
638
00:38:43,571 –> 00:38:46,741
thinking that maybe
it just wasn’t going to happen anymore.
639
00:38:47,826 –> 00:38:49,160
But after the Africa trip,
640
00:38:49,536 –> 00:38:53,665
the abuse started all over again,
and it never stopped after that.
641
00:38:56,042 –> 00:38:59,838
It never once occurred to me
that I was being paid for anything more
642
00:38:59,921 –> 00:39:02,799
than being a masseuse.
I really kept it separate.
643
00:39:02,882 –> 00:39:06,469
I was there for a job, and this man was
also sexually assaulting me on the side.
644
00:39:06,553 –> 00:39:08,263
It was two separate things for me.
645
00:39:08,930 –> 00:39:10,515
I definitely didn’t have…
646
00:39:11,599 –> 00:39:15,395
the mature mindset
of a normal 21, 22, 23-year-old.
647
00:39:16,646 –> 00:39:19,983
My mom had fled
an extremely abusive relationship,
648
00:39:20,066 –> 00:39:23,361
and so when we fled,
I was taking care of my sister.
649
00:39:24,821 –> 00:39:29,033
Years later, my then 17-year-old sister
was living with me.
650
00:39:32,036 –> 00:39:35,874
On one random weekend,
Jeffrey and Ghislaine flew to L.A.,
651
00:39:36,291 –> 00:39:38,167
and they just invited me for lunch.
652
00:39:38,626 –> 00:39:40,503
Ghislaine was like,
„Bring her along,“ you know,
653
00:39:40,587 –> 00:39:43,506
and it never occurred to me
that this was maybe a bad idea.
654
00:39:44,424 –> 00:39:47,427
I never thought
that he was doing this to other people.
655
00:39:47,510 –> 00:39:48,344
I really didn’t.
656
00:39:49,554 –> 00:39:50,430
So…
657
00:39:51,389 –> 00:39:53,516
I brought my sister with me…
658
00:39:54,475 –> 00:39:56,769
and it was decided right then and there
659
00:39:56,853 –> 00:39:58,897
that they were going to send her
to school in Spain
660
00:39:58,980 –> 00:40:02,692
to study language and to pursue her dream
to be a translator.
661
00:40:05,445 –> 00:40:09,365
It wasn’t until April of 2005,
almost two years later,
662
00:40:09,449 –> 00:40:12,201
that I learned
that he was also doing this to my sister.
663
00:40:14,203 –> 00:40:16,789
She came back home
with an eating disorder.
664
00:40:17,415 –> 00:40:19,959
She was rail-thin
and looked horrible, and…
665
00:40:21,461 –> 00:40:23,379
she confessed that Jeffrey had been…
666
00:40:24,213 –> 00:40:25,632
sexually assaulting her…
667
00:40:26,382 –> 00:40:29,010
basically since they sent her to school.
668
00:40:31,679 –> 00:40:33,806
I never knew until she came home that day.
669
00:40:35,642 –> 00:40:38,937
My sister thought that Jeffrey was
the most powerful man she’d ever meet
670
00:40:39,020 –> 00:40:41,230
and knew that he was friends
with celebrities and…
671
00:40:41,314 –> 00:40:43,358
and, you know, wealthy people and…
672
00:40:44,233 –> 00:40:48,154
There was an altercation that took place
in Jeffrey’s Paris apartment
673
00:40:48,738 –> 00:40:50,239
with Harvey Weinstein.
674
00:40:51,240 –> 00:40:53,117
My sister came running from the room,
675
00:40:53,201 –> 00:40:56,204
freaked out at whatever he’d said
and did in there,
676
00:40:56,579 –> 00:40:59,666
and immediately,
Harvey Weinstein’s assistant got involved,
677
00:40:59,749 –> 00:41:01,918
trying to remedy the situation…
678
00:41:02,877 –> 00:41:04,879
by sending flowers and apology notes.
679
00:41:06,881 –> 00:41:10,301
Jeffrey and Harvey are both
very disgusting people
680
00:41:10,969 –> 00:41:15,556
who used their power
to manipulate and abuse.
681
00:41:17,725 –> 00:41:22,313
I let Jeffrey know that I knew
what he had done to my sister
682
00:41:22,397 –> 00:41:26,442
and that I didn’t want to, you know,
have anything to do with him anymore.
683
00:41:29,529 –> 00:41:32,073
And he told me that
684
00:41:32,156 –> 00:41:36,119
if I thought I could get anywhere in life
without his help that I was wrong,
685
00:41:36,744 –> 00:41:40,832
and basically hung up on me after that,
and we never spoke again.
686
00:41:43,835 –> 00:41:45,044
I still feel…
687
00:41:46,087 –> 00:41:50,550
an immense amount of guilt
because I was responsible for her and I…
688
00:41:51,050 –> 00:41:54,804
let her s… move to a different country
under the pretense
689
00:41:54,887 –> 00:41:57,265
that she was going to get
this amazing education,
690
00:41:57,348 –> 00:41:59,976
and she came back traumatized
691
00:42:00,059 –> 00:42:02,395
at the same hands of the person
who was traumatizing me
692
00:42:02,478 –> 00:42:04,063
for the last three years and…
693
00:42:04,272 –> 00:42:05,106
Um…
694
00:42:06,274 –> 00:42:09,485
How could she not be angry? You know?
I would be angry.
695
00:42:11,446 –> 00:42:13,364
There’s definitely still a lot of…
696
00:42:14,449 –> 00:42:19,912
guilt and anger that I have and feel
that I don’t know will ever go away.
697
00:42:23,374 –> 00:42:25,668
[Ransome] Jeffrey found out
where your weakness was.
698
00:42:26,419 –> 00:42:28,171
When I was 14, I had been raped.
699
00:42:28,254 –> 00:42:31,883
That one rape will affect you
for the rest of your life.
700
00:42:35,762 –> 00:42:39,974
Part of being sexually trafficked is
you’re coerced right from the start.
701
00:42:40,516 –> 00:42:42,018
Once you’ve opened that door,
702
00:42:42,101 –> 00:42:44,979
they then shut that door
so you can’t get back out.
703
00:42:46,731 –> 00:42:49,192
Jeffrey put me up in his apartment
in New York.
704
00:42:50,193 –> 00:42:51,944
He gave me enough money to buy food.
705
00:42:52,028 –> 00:42:54,572
He was, um, organizing my transportation.
706
00:42:54,781 –> 00:42:56,532
He was going to be paying
for my education.
707
00:42:56,616 –> 00:42:58,659
My whole life was based through Jeffrey.
708
00:43:03,623 –> 00:43:06,709
It was eight and a half months
that I had Jeffrey in my life.
709
00:43:10,046 –> 00:43:15,718
This is as an abusive relationship
physically and… and mentally as it gets.
710
00:43:17,428 –> 00:43:19,597
But I left… and I disappeared.
711
00:43:28,481 –> 00:43:29,857
So when I fled New York,
712
00:43:30,525 –> 00:43:32,026
I fled for my life.
713
00:43:35,488 –> 00:43:36,864
You’re either going to live or die.
714
00:43:37,365 –> 00:43:39,075
That’s… That’s… That’s simple.
715
00:43:58,386 –> 00:44:01,264
[Fisten] Jeffrey Epstein,
after he got released on probation,
716
00:44:01,347 –> 00:44:03,057
he goes to New York.
717
00:44:03,141 –> 00:44:04,934
The first thing he does is have a party.
718
00:44:05,017 –> 00:44:06,894
All these people showing up at this house.
719
00:44:07,353 –> 00:44:08,771
The Prince is there.
720
00:44:08,855 –> 00:44:10,356
Woody Allen’s there.
721
00:44:11,190 –> 00:44:12,567
After everybody knew
722
00:44:13,192 –> 00:44:16,737
a large number
of underage girls were abused,
723
00:44:16,821 –> 00:44:19,907
people continued to associate themselves
with him.
724
00:44:22,702 –> 00:44:24,954
[Epstein] I’m just looking to, you know,
get my life back.
725
00:44:25,037 –> 00:44:26,455
Go into my philanthropy.
726
00:44:27,623 –> 00:44:30,543
I must have given away
like $14 million last year.
727
00:44:31,586 –> 00:44:33,671
I’ve collected some
of the world’s smartest people.
728
00:44:33,754 –> 00:44:37,717
I’ve funded some of the world’s
greatest cutting-edge science.
729
00:44:38,593 –> 00:44:42,597
I mean, I have lots of Nobel Prize winners
come here and they end up, you know…
730
00:44:43,639 –> 00:44:46,642
getting funded for some things that
it’s difficult to get funded for now.
731
00:44:46,726 –> 00:44:49,395
Quantum computing, for example.
732
00:44:50,062 –> 00:44:52,356
Evolutionary code theory.
733
00:44:52,440 –> 00:44:53,441
[Rush] Mm-hmm.
734
00:44:55,151 –> 00:45:00,615
So you’re not, um…
you’re not… engaging in any sort
735
00:45:00,698 –> 00:45:03,951
-of illegal massage or…?
-[Epstein scoffs] No. I’m afraid not.
736
00:45:05,453 –> 00:45:08,206
Most of the scientists who come here
are in their 70s and 80s,
737
00:45:08,289 –> 00:45:11,250
and they’re probably…
They’re not that attractive.
738
00:45:14,045 –> 00:45:16,464
[Marc Fisher] Epstein, uh…
managed to maintain
739
00:45:16,547 –> 00:45:19,884
a very good reputation
in many, uh, circles
740
00:45:19,967 –> 00:45:25,014
by being a very generous donor
to universities, to research centers.
741
00:45:25,765 –> 00:45:29,143
He would show up at academic conferences,
at medical conventions,
742
00:45:29,769 –> 00:45:33,397
and not only write them a check
but want to be part of the discussion.
743
00:45:36,317 –> 00:45:39,028
[Annie Farmer] It was really troubling
how quickly he was just,
744
00:45:39,111 –> 00:45:42,323
you know, brought back into the fold
in his… in his world
745
00:45:42,406 –> 00:45:45,368
and the celebrities that felt
like it was just fine, you know,
746
00:45:45,451 –> 00:45:48,663
to socialize with him
and be in public with him.
747
00:45:49,413 –> 00:45:51,666
It felt like there was
just really no consequence
748
00:45:51,749 –> 00:45:54,043
and people didn’t care about his behavior.
749
00:45:54,126 –> 00:45:55,670
It was really disheartening.
750
00:46:02,843 –> 00:46:04,971
[Musgrave] I think that is
one of the tragedies of the case,
751
00:46:05,054 –> 00:46:08,975
is Jeffrey Epstein was allowed
to just resume business as usual.
752
00:46:09,308 –> 00:46:11,602
His victims struggled, you know?
753
00:46:11,686 –> 00:46:14,647
They had had, you know,
this horrible experience.
754
00:46:14,730 –> 00:46:16,524
Nobody had taken them seriously.
755
00:46:16,607 –> 00:46:19,402
And you know, yeah,
for years I think a lot of them struggled
756
00:46:19,485 –> 00:46:22,989
and still probably to this day…
are still struggling.
757
00:46:30,830 –> 00:46:35,084
[Wild] Being so young at 14,
being introduced to Jeffrey Epstein,
758
00:46:35,793 –> 00:46:36,627
you know…
759
00:46:37,628 –> 00:46:41,215
having this sexual relationship
with a guy that gives me money.
760
00:46:41,966 –> 00:46:43,259
It was too much.
761
00:46:44,427 –> 00:46:46,429
I just dropped out of high school.
762
00:46:47,346 –> 00:46:53,436
It wasn’t pretty. It was, um… you know,
drugs, money, sex, fast life.
763
00:46:54,061 –> 00:46:57,773
Um… For a very long time,
I went down that road.
764
00:46:59,317 –> 00:47:02,778
And that did lead me into incarceration.
765
00:47:04,655 –> 00:47:06,991
It was a dark time, for sure.
766
00:47:12,913 –> 00:47:16,834
[Licata] I started going down
this really depressing road.
767
00:47:19,420 –> 00:47:20,796
I hated myself.
768
00:47:21,881 –> 00:47:25,051
I wanted to inflict pain on myself.
769
00:47:25,926 –> 00:47:27,803
So I would just take like a knife,
770
00:47:27,887 –> 00:47:29,555
and I’d just like…
771
00:47:29,638 –> 00:47:32,475
Just cut it right here on my arm.
772
00:47:34,852 –> 00:47:36,896
If I was the one doing the pain…
773
00:47:37,938 –> 00:47:40,483
then it wasn’t
anybody else doing it to me.
774
00:47:41,734 –> 00:47:45,654
I wanted to… to know that
I could always have control of a situation
775
00:47:45,738 –> 00:47:51,035
because that situation that I was in
made me feel like I was helpless.
776
00:47:52,787 –> 00:47:56,332
Things only got worse after that.
777
00:47:57,416 –> 00:48:00,211
I was doing drugs.
778
00:48:00,836 –> 00:48:02,630
Started out with pills
779
00:48:03,047 –> 00:48:05,466
and then mushrooms…
780
00:48:06,342 –> 00:48:07,635
acid…
781
00:48:08,552 –> 00:48:09,512
heroin.
782
00:48:10,596 –> 00:48:11,806
Gotten to a point and just…
783
00:48:11,889 –> 00:48:15,351
I… [sighs] I’m just gonna kill myself
doing these drugs and…
784
00:48:15,935 –> 00:48:17,269
why would it matter?
785
00:48:21,774 –> 00:48:25,611
There’s days when I don’t get out of bed,
786
00:48:25,694 –> 00:48:27,738
and I don’t feel like
I’m going to make it.
787
00:48:29,407 –> 00:48:33,119
I lost a lot of friends.
I had to quit a lot of places
788
00:48:33,202 –> 00:48:35,037
because I was being bullied at work.
789
00:48:35,538 –> 00:48:36,580
I struggled.
790
00:48:39,166 –> 00:48:41,377
Even though I was a minor
when I met him,
791
00:48:41,460 –> 00:48:42,628
I wasn’t protected.
792
00:48:43,003 –> 00:48:44,547
My name was thrown out there.
793
00:48:46,173 –> 00:48:48,843
I was definitely vilified, humiliated.
794
00:48:49,343 –> 00:48:52,596
They released my name.
They released my pictures.
795
00:48:53,556 –> 00:48:55,808
They released
a lot of personal information.
796
00:48:56,475 –> 00:48:58,519
I was a victim, just like the other girls.
797
00:48:58,602 –> 00:49:03,023
I was, um, preyed upon by Jeffrey Epstein,
the same way the others were.
798
00:49:05,985 –> 00:49:09,155
I do think about the girls that I brought,
that I recruited…
799
00:49:09,822 –> 00:49:12,741
and I think this is probably
the hardest part because of the guilt.
800
00:49:13,909 –> 00:49:15,619
That’s what destroys me every day.
801
00:49:27,173 –> 00:49:29,758
[Giuffre] Being lent out
and being abused by Epstein,
802
00:49:30,092 –> 00:49:31,510
I was in a bad way.
803
00:49:31,594 –> 00:49:34,054
I was very scared,
and I was very alone…
804
00:49:34,930 –> 00:49:36,849
and I knew that I had to get out.
805
00:49:38,267 –> 00:49:40,436
I didn’t know
what that opportunity was going to be
806
00:49:40,519 –> 00:49:44,273
when I started packing those bags,
but I really felt like this was my break.
807
00:49:46,150 –> 00:49:47,359
I’m in Australia now…
808
00:49:48,611 –> 00:49:50,738
and I have been for 17 years
809
00:49:50,821 –> 00:49:52,781
since I escaped from Jeffrey Epstein.
810
00:49:55,326 –> 00:49:59,079
It was 2002, just before my 19th birthday.
811
00:49:59,580 –> 00:50:02,500
I’d been with Jeffrey
just over two years at that point.
812
00:50:03,167 –> 00:50:06,545
We went for a snorkeling day
on his island…
813
00:50:07,630 –> 00:50:11,091
and Ghislaine’s like, „I wanna talk to you
about something kind of serious.“
814
00:50:11,175 –> 00:50:14,094
And I thought, „Oh, God,
what are they going to ask me to do now?“
815
00:50:15,387 –> 00:50:19,141
And she goes, „Well, Jeffrey and I,
we want to have a baby.
816
00:50:19,225 –> 00:50:21,435
We want you to have the baby for us,
817
00:50:21,519 –> 00:50:23,979
but it’s not really going to be your kid
818
00:50:24,063 –> 00:50:27,858
because we need you to sign over
that child’s rights to us.“
819
00:50:29,652 –> 00:50:32,863
It was gut-wrenching.
I just… I knew I had to get out.
820
00:50:35,074 –> 00:50:38,202
But I was afraid to say no,
so I said, „Okay, well,
821
00:50:38,911 –> 00:50:41,747
you guys did promise me
that I’d get an education.
822
00:50:42,540 –> 00:50:46,126
So could you at least let me get
my massage certificate…
823
00:50:47,461 –> 00:50:48,379
and we’ll do it.“
824
00:50:49,505 –> 00:50:51,382
And not even a few weeks later,
825
00:50:51,465 –> 00:50:55,135
Jeffrey gives me these tickets
booked to Thailand…
826
00:50:55,553 –> 00:50:56,470
Um…
827
00:50:56,554 –> 00:50:58,889
And he says,
„Happy birthday. This is for you.
828
00:50:58,973 –> 00:51:01,016
You’re going to go get a certificate.“
829
00:51:03,727 –> 00:51:07,231
So I get to Thailand, and I’m like,
830
00:51:07,731 –> 00:51:11,235
„I have an opportunity here to escape.
831
00:51:12,111 –> 00:51:15,114
I’ve got to tell somebody what’s going on.
I’ve got to leave.“
832
00:51:17,658 –> 00:51:19,702
Nearly immediately, I met Robert.
833
00:51:20,578 –> 00:51:21,579
We fell in love.
834
00:51:22,329 –> 00:51:25,916
It was the first moment in my life where
I said I can take control of my own life.
835
00:51:26,875 –> 00:51:28,168
He got on one knee.
836
00:51:28,252 –> 00:51:30,254
He proposed, just like that.
837
00:51:30,921 –> 00:51:33,173
He said, „Come back to Australia with me.“
838
00:51:35,342 –> 00:51:38,596
Seven days later, we were married
in a Chiang Mai Buddhist temple
839
00:51:38,846 –> 00:51:39,930
in the mountains.
840
00:51:41,432 –> 00:51:43,392
It was the happiest moment of my life.
841
00:51:49,481 –> 00:51:51,650
I called Jeffrey.
I didn’t know what to say
842
00:51:51,734 –> 00:51:53,277
or how to say it, but I said…
843
00:51:53,360 –> 00:51:56,363
I just blurted out, um…
„Jeffrey, I just got married…
844
00:51:57,656 –> 00:51:59,575
and, um, I’m not coming back.“
845
00:52:00,784 –> 00:52:02,202
He said, „What do you mean?“
846
00:52:02,786 –> 00:52:05,623
And you could tell he was pissed,
well pissed.
847
00:52:06,332 –> 00:52:08,709
And I’m scared. I’m scared to death.
848
00:52:09,543 –> 00:52:12,296
I said, „Jeffrey, I’m…
Just I’ve started a new life.
849
00:52:12,379 –> 00:52:14,256
You know, that’s it.“
850
00:52:16,467 –> 00:52:17,718
And he hung up the phone.
851
00:52:20,220 –> 00:52:23,849
I felt free. I mean, I immediately felt
like the chains broke off.
852
00:52:27,019 –> 00:52:28,771
It was a powerful moment for me…
853
00:52:29,813 –> 00:52:32,107
but one of the first things
that I said to my husband was,
854
00:52:32,191 –> 00:52:33,651
„Robbie, enough’s enough.
855
00:52:33,734 –> 00:52:36,820
We’ve got to do something.
He needs to be brought to justice.“
856
00:52:37,112 –> 00:52:40,115
Then I said,
„Okay, let’s hold them accountable.“
857
00:52:40,824 –> 00:52:43,243
And that’s when we decided
we’re going to go get them.
858
00:52:43,952 –> 00:52:45,037
We’re gonna go get them all.
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[lawyer 1] We’re back
on the video record at 12:02 p.m.
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[Brad Edwards] Let’s talk about
Jane Doe 102, Virginia Roberts.
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Do you know Virginia Roberts?
4
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-So she’s… Say again, who?
-[Edwards] Virginia Roberts.
5
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Can you spell it?
6
00:00:38,121 –> 00:00:40,541
[Edwards] Common spelling,
Virginia, like the state.
7
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-Can you spell it for me, please?
-[Edwards] Roberts.
8
00:00:43,418 –> 00:00:45,546
How is it… What’s the last name?
How is it spelled?
9
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[Edwards] R-O-B-E-R-T-S, I believe.
10
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Isn’t it true that you
and Ghislaine Maxwell
11
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celebrated her 16th birthday with her
and had sex with her on that day?
12
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[lawyer 2] Form, compound,
13
00:01:01,520 –> 00:01:03,480
confusing, argumentative and harassing.
14
00:01:06,108 –> 00:01:07,734
I’d like to answer that question.
15
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But today I’m gonna have to assert
my Sixth Amendment rights,
16
00:01:13,115 –> 00:01:14,533
my Fifth Amendment rights.
17
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[Edwards] Is it true
that you forced Virginia Roberts
18
00:01:18,620 –> 00:01:20,872
to have
sex with numerous friends of yours?
19
00:01:21,248 –> 00:01:22,124
Are you kidding?
20
00:02:10,088 –> 00:02:12,299
[Giuffre] The first time
I decided to go public,
21
00:02:12,382 –> 00:02:15,969
it was because I gave birth
to this beautiful baby girl.
22
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It kind of made me realize
what I had been through
23
00:02:27,439 –> 00:02:30,067
was still happening to other people
out there.
24
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It wasn’t just me.
25
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And I looked at my husband,
and I said, „Robbie,
26
00:02:34,237 –> 00:02:36,281
we can’t just sit by
and be silent anymore.
27
00:02:36,365 –> 00:02:38,241
We’ve got to do something about it.“
28
00:02:40,619 –> 00:02:43,872
I was sexually abused by Prince Andrew.
29
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Someone had to put their hand up and say,
like, „He can’t just get away with this.“
30
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[suspenseful music]
31
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[Giuffre] I first met Prince Andrew
32
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March 10th, 2001,
33
00:03:11,900 –> 00:03:14,319
in London at Ghislaine’s townhouse.
34
00:03:16,446 –> 00:03:19,825
He knocked on the door,
he came inside Ghislaine’s townhouse,
35
00:03:19,908 –> 00:03:21,576
and we’re sitting there having tea.
36
00:03:23,078 –> 00:03:25,956
Ghislaine has this favorite guessing game
that she does.
37
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She goes to Prince Andrew,
„How old do you think Virginia is?“
38
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And he said, „Seventeen.“
39
00:03:32,963 –> 00:03:34,840
And she’s like, „Oh, you’re right!“
40
00:03:34,923 –> 00:03:37,217
And, you know,
they, like, made a little joke about it.
41
00:03:37,300 –> 00:03:39,803
He’s like, „My daughters
aren’t far from your age.
42
00:03:39,886 –> 00:03:41,513
My daughters are a bit younger than you.
43
00:03:43,932 –> 00:03:45,183
We went out for the night.
44
00:03:46,435 –> 00:03:48,061
Club Tramp in London.
45
00:03:48,145 –> 00:03:50,564
[electronic music playing]
46
00:03:50,647 –> 00:03:54,526
And he dances, and he’s profusely sweating
over me, and it was disgusting.
47
00:03:55,444 –> 00:03:59,364
We get back to the townhouse,
and we go upstairs.
48
00:03:59,448 –> 00:04:01,867
I have this little yellow Kodak camera,
49
00:04:01,950 –> 00:04:05,579
and, um… I ask Jeffrey to take a photo
50
00:04:06,037 –> 00:04:08,415
of me and Prince Andrew together.
51
00:04:08,498 –> 00:04:09,541
[camera shutter clicking]
52
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[Giuffre] And Ghislaine’s literally
just, like, right behind me.
53
00:04:14,129 –> 00:04:15,297
Ghislaine tells me…
54
00:04:16,548 –> 00:04:19,551
„You’re going to have to do for him
what you do for Jeffrey.“
55
00:04:21,178 –> 00:04:22,679
[voice breaking] And it hit me.
56
00:04:24,848 –> 00:04:26,850
And right after that photo was taken,
57
00:04:26,933 –> 00:04:32,022
I was sexually abused by Prince Andrew
for the first time.
58
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[reporter] A former prostitute claims
she was just 17
59
00:04:50,832 –> 00:04:53,835
when she allegedly had sexual relations
with Prince Andrew.
60
00:04:54,669 –> 00:04:57,672
[Giuffre] I’ve been called
a serial prostitute,
61
00:04:57,756 –> 00:05:00,383
a bad mom, a serial liar,
62
00:05:00,467 –> 00:05:03,094
a drug addict, every name under the sun.
63
00:05:03,845 –> 00:05:06,556
The whole Prince Andrew thing,
it was just…
64
00:05:06,890 –> 00:05:07,724
kaboom.
65
00:05:08,141 –> 00:05:13,772
And it went from being a harrowing story
about trafficking and abuse
66
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to completely Prince Andrew.
67
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I wasn’t Prince Andrew’s prostitute,
68
00:05:20,612 –> 00:05:23,156
because I was trafficked to him,
and I was a kid.
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[Sigrid McCawley]
My client Virginia Giuffre
70
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was trafficked by Epstein almost 30 times
71
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when she was under the age of 18,
both nationally and internationally.
72
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Virginia came forward publicly in a filing
in the Crime Victims‘ Rights Act case.
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In that filing, she made public
some of the individuals who had abused her
74
00:06:03,280 –> 00:06:06,032
when she was being trafficked
by Jeffrey Epstein.
75
00:06:07,617 –> 00:06:09,953
One of those individuals
was Alan Dershowitz.
76
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[Alan Dershowitz] I assure you,
I never had sex with Virginia Roberts.
77
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Let me state categorically.
78
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I never had sex with an underage person
in my life.
79
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Even when I was an underage boy,
I never had sex with an underage girl.
80
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I never had sex with anyone
related to Jeffrey Epstein.
81
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I challenge Virginia Roberts
82
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to come on your show,
83
00:06:44,321 –> 00:06:47,198
look in the camera,
and say the following words:
84
00:06:47,949 –> 00:06:52,329
„I accuse Alan Dershowitz
of having had sex with me
85
00:06:52,412 –> 00:06:55,332
on six or seven occasions.“
86
00:06:55,832 –> 00:06:58,335
She has never been willing
to accuse me in public.
87
00:06:58,418 –> 00:07:02,672
So please accuse me on this show,
I challenge you.
88
00:07:07,469 –> 00:07:10,221
[Giuffre] I was with Alan Dershowitz
multiple times.
89
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At least six that I can remember.
90
00:07:16,519 –> 00:07:21,441
Well, I was trafficked to Alan Dershowitz
from Epstein. Epstein…
91
00:07:22,651 –> 00:07:24,611
made me, essentially,
92
00:07:24,903 –> 00:07:27,906
forced me to…. to have sex with him.
93
00:07:29,115 –> 00:07:32,869
Every time I was trafficked
was at Epstein or Ghislaine’s behest.
94
00:07:34,454 –> 00:07:38,500
He’s denied being with me.
Is one of us telling the truth? Yes.
95
00:07:38,750 –> 00:07:40,585
Is that person me? Yes.
96
00:07:58,520 –> 00:08:00,730
[Sarah Ransome] I came forward in 2016
97
00:08:01,564 –> 00:08:03,316
when the US election started to happen.
98
00:08:04,067 –> 00:08:05,527
This was completely unplanned.
99
00:08:05,610 –> 00:08:07,821
-[crowd cheering]
-Thank you, everybody.
100
00:08:07,904 –> 00:08:11,032
[Ransome] Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton
are both up for election,
101
00:08:11,616 –> 00:08:16,037
and both candidates for US president
had affiliations with Jeffrey Epstein.
102
00:08:16,705 –> 00:08:20,000
So I went to almost
every single news channel,
103
00:08:20,583 –> 00:08:22,919
British media, American media.
104
00:08:23,253 –> 00:08:27,507
I tried to tell them… I told them
who Jeffrey Epstein was, what he did.
105
00:08:28,091 –> 00:08:29,592
I told them who Ghislaine was.
106
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No one would listen.
No one would hear my voice in 2016.
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00:08:36,766 –> 00:08:37,642
[message chimes]
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[female reporter 1] This is
a moment in time unlike any other.
109
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With the Me Too movement,
110
00:08:50,905 –> 00:08:53,158
women are feeling the ability
111
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to tell what happened to them,
112
00:08:55,368 –> 00:08:58,121
some of the worst moments they’ve lived,
and tell it publicly,
113
00:08:58,204 –> 00:09:00,790
and that is powerful,
and it is affecting everything,
114
00:09:00,874 –> 00:09:02,459
and people are looking for justice.
115
00:09:03,626 –> 00:09:08,006
[Courtney Wild] I remember watching
the TV about the Me Too movement,
116
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and thinking, „Okay, like, we’re next.“
117
00:09:13,011 –> 00:09:17,182
We don’t need to feel ashamed
for having survived these things.
118
00:09:17,265 –> 00:09:19,184
Actually talking about them,
119
00:09:19,267 –> 00:09:22,520
you know, bringing them into the light
and finding support from each other
120
00:09:22,604 –> 00:09:24,314
is a huge way towards healing.
121
00:09:26,399 –> 00:09:28,610
[Chauntae Davies] There’s definitely
strength in numbers,
122
00:09:28,693 –> 00:09:30,403
and I feel like
women feel more comfortable
123
00:09:30,487 –> 00:09:32,363
to come forward
when they know they’re not alone.
124
00:09:34,324 –> 00:09:38,036
I think we have an unspoken bond
that many people won’t ever understand.
125
00:09:39,454 –> 00:09:41,664
Times have changed in a year,
126
00:09:41,748 –> 00:09:46,002
such that these accusations
will be listened to in a different way.
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It’s an explosive investigative series
128
00:09:50,715 –> 00:09:54,135
by the Miami Herald reporter
Julie K. Brown, connecting the dots
129
00:09:54,219 –> 00:09:57,555
between President Trump’s labor secretary,
Alexander Acosta,
130
00:09:57,639 –> 00:10:00,475
and what the Miami Herald calls
„the deal of a lifetime“
131
00:10:00,558 –> 00:10:04,229
that was given to accused pedophile
Jeffrey Epstein.
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Senate committee on health, education,
labor and pensions
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will please come to order.
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This morning, we’re holding
a confirmation hearing
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on the nomination of Alexander Acosta
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to serve as
United States Secretary of Labor.
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[man] I did not hear anything
about Epstein
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until President Trump nominated Acosta
to be Labor Secretary.
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And so, as I was digging
into Acosta’s background,
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I came upon information
about the Epstein case.
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I was shocked.
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I’d like to ask you about this.
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„Federal prosecutors detail their findings
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in an 82-page prosecution memo
and a 53-page indictment,
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but Epstein was never indicted.“
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And then there’s a quote.
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Quote, „This agreement,“
the agreement you described,
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„will not be made part
of any public record,“
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the deal between Epstein and Acosta says.
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At the end of the day,
based on the evidence…
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um… professionals within
a prosecutor’s office decide
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that a plea
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that guarantees that someone goes to jail
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and that guarantees other outcomes
is a good thing, and so–
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[Tim Kaine] Was that a consensus decision
in your office?
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It was a broadly held decision.
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[Kaine] It was a secret deal,
as we now know.
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I thought the outrageous nature
of the allegations
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might lead to a vote against him.
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I, Alexander Acosta, do solemnly swear…
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I want to thank President Trump,
Vice President Pence,
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and the members of the Senate
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for the privilege of serving
as Secretary of Labor.
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[crowd cheering, applauding]
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Karen and Chris, you’ve got to come
take a look at this order.
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[Karen] What happened?
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Judge Marra has issued
his summary judgment ruling.
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What Judge Marra has ruled is
that the federal government
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entered into a conspiracy
with Jeffrey Epstein
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to violate the Crime Victims‘ Rights Act.
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-This is just fantastic.
-[Karen] Wow.
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-That is great.
-[laughing]
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-Congratulations. Well deserved.
-All right.
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-All right.
-It’s a good day.
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[Jack Scarola] There is now in place
a federal order
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that the federal government,
under Alexander Acosta’s direction,
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not only failed to inform victims,
but actively misled them.
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That means that there may be
a new hearing in front of a federal judge
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where these victims have a right
to express their opposition to this deal.
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And a judge could decide it was a contract
that was illegal from the outset.
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Epstein has no immunity.
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The federal government has
the right to prosecute you
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and the right to prosecute
your co-conspirators.
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[Edwards] There was this elation
on behalf of the victims that,
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„Hey, look, we won.
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We went up against the government
and Jeffrey Epstein, and we won.
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We proved that you conspired against us,
the victims.“
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[Wild] When I heard Judge Marra did rule
in our favor,
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I just felt very accomplished.
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Uh… We’d been fighting for this
for a long time.
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Just to have it in words,
„Your rights were violated, period.“
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It was like, „Okay.
Now something’s happening.“
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[Edwards] It became clear
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that many of the crimes
Jeffrey Epstein had committed in Florida
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originated in New York, and that he likely
had committed these crimes in New York.
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At this stage, the New York investigation
was underway.
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[reporter 1] A federal investigation
shining some new light
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on a controversial plea deal
for a wealthy investor
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accused of molesting
dozens of underage girls.
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[reporter 2] This decision to investigate
reflects the Me Too movement potentially
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touching on the Trump administration
and many other powerful people,
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and most important, of course,
it impacts the women
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who took the risk to come forward.
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[Edwards] Now New York’s finally
showing an interest,
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my clients were all on board
and had been all on board for ten years.
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[Michael Reiter] I had heard
that there was an investigation
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by the FBI in New York
and the US Attorney in New York.
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Even though it felt as though
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the victims were completely abandoned
by the entire criminal justice system,
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I never gave up over the years,
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hoping that some measure of justice
would eventually come to the victims.
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[Mike Fisten] I had a pretty good inkling
that something was going to happen
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because the FBI,
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along with the detectives from NYPD,
were down here in Palm Beach,
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interviewing numerous people
over the last three months.
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[Shawna Rivera]
I was contacted by the FBI.
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They told me that they had
this investigation going on in New York,
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and they wanted to get, you know,
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as much information as they could.
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I told them that they needed
to look out for their victims.
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I told them that
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if they were going to do this thing,
they needed to really do it.
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[Davies] I was so angry that
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I just wanted to…
you know, make him pay.
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So at that point, I reached out,
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which led to a five-hour meeting
with the FBI,
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and they flew out to LA to meet with me,
and that was…
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super intense,
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but it finally felt like
we were getting somewhere.
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[Maria Farmer] I had interviewed
with some authorities.
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So we knew they were closing in.
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We were really excited.
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I never, ever thought
that he would be held accountable.
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[police sirens wailing]
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[reporter 1] Big breaking news overnight.
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Jeffrey Epstein arrested
at a New York area airport.
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[reporter 2] Jeffrey Epstein was arrested
at New Jersey’s Teterboro Airport
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after returning on a flight from France.
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[reporter 3] The 66-year-old
hedge fund manager was arrested
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on federal charges
related to sex trafficking.
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He has a bond hearing
scheduled for Monday in New York.
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[dramatic music crescendoes]
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[Michelle Licata] When I found out
that he was arrested, I was like,
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„Oh, my God! Like, finally…
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he’s going to pay
for everything that he has done.
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I’m going to New York.
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Even though I didn’t want to see him,
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I’m going to see him
now that he is in shackles.
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You know, he is
in, like, an orange jumpsuit.
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He is being treated like
every criminal would be treated.
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This has got to be it.
This is when it’s going to happen.
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They’re gonna start digging into his life
and start pulling out this spider web
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of people that were related to it.
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Oh, he’s going to jail.
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This is it.“
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[mysterious music]
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[reporter 4] Federal prosecutors
allege that between 2002 and 2005,
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Epstein paid underage girls as young as 14
to have sex with him at his townhouse.
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[speaking Spanish]
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He’s a villain, that’s it,
and we’re here to get rid of him.
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[reporters chattering loudly]
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[man] Shh.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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Good morning.
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I’m Geoff Berman, United States Attorney
for the Southern District of New York.
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Today we announce the unsealing
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of sex trafficking charges
against Jeffrey Epstein.
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[Giuffre] I remember my lawyer calling me
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and saying, „You won’t believe this.
Do you have anywhere to sit down?“
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And while the charge conduct
is from a number of years ago,
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it is still profoundly important
to the many alleged victims,
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now young women.
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They deserve their day in court.
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I looked at my phone…
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and then I looked at my phone again.
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And then I looked at my phone,
and then I was like…
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„No.“
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I mean, there was a flood of emotions.
I was confused. I was happy.
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Tears of joy were streaming down my face.
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[Geoff Berman] Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment.
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First, conspiracy
to commit sex trafficking,
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and second, the substantive crime
of sex trafficking of underage girls.
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It somewhat restored my faith
in the criminal justice system
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that was lost by the way the prosecutors
in Florida treated the victims
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and treated the case
back in 2006 and 2007.
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The charges are very serious,
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and they carry with them
a maximum sentence of 45 years in jail,
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which to someone of Epstein’s age
is basically a life sentence.
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[Davies] I just could not believe it.
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This all kind of just exploded
all of a sudden,
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but at the same time,
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I also still knew and believed
his power and…
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uh… ability to get himself
out of things.
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I was still kind of…
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wondering how it was going to go,
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and whether or not
they were going to really be able
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to build a case and to prosecute him.
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[police sirens wailing]
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[woman] What’s the sitch?
You know what’s up?
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-[man] This is Jeffrey Epstein’s–
-[woman] Oh, shut up!
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[man] Somebody must have tipped them off
to something else.
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[reporter] New raid video showing
federal agents as they bust open the door
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of his seven-story, 77-million-dollar home
on Manhattan’s Upper East Side.
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Inside, investigators found hundreds,
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if not thousands,
of female nude photographs.
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[Haley Robson] I think that he would have
been a little bit more careful,
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and I don’t think that there’s
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just one set of photos.
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It makes me wonder
if there’s photos of myself.
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What do you do with those photos?
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Do you show your friends?
Do you use them to get off?
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All those thoughts crossed my mind.
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Knowing that he had, in fact, kept
tokens like this from women that he had…
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um… you know, abused over the years,
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that really got to me.
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[Edwards] Jeffrey Epstein had no clue
that this case was coming down,
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that there was any investigation
whatsoever into him in New York,
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or he never would’ve come back
in the country.
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[Shannon Cake] It was interesting.
Not long after he’s arrested,
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everyone who had a relationship
with Jeffrey Epstein, suddenly…
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no one really knew him.
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Suddenly,
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„Oh, well, we really weren’t friends.
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I knew him in an ancillary way.“
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[male reporter] Presidents Trump
and Clinton have quickly moved
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to put some distance
between themselves and Epstein.
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I had a falling out with him
a long time ago.
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I don’t think I’ve spoken to him
for 15 years. I wasn’t a fan.
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[female reporter 1] „He’s not spoken
to Epstein in well over a decade
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and has never been
to Little St. James Island,
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Epstein’s ranch in New Mexico,
or his residence in Florida.“
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[female reporter 2]
Flight logs obtained indicate
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that former President Bill Clinton was
on Epstein’s private jet at least 26 times
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between 2001 and 2003.
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[Steve Scully] Bill Clinton
has been on that island.
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I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey
on the living room porch.
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[Giuffre] I remember having a dinner
with Clinton.
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He was there, and I never saw him
do anything improper.
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I wish, you know, he would just come clean
about, like, „Yeah, I was there. So what?
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Who cares?
I didn’t see anything going on.“
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[Cake] For years, there had been
a known affiliation and a friendship
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between Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew.
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[Cake] And then, of course, there were
the allegations from Virginia Giuffre.
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And these stories had dogged him
for years.
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So he decides,
„I’ll confront them head-on.“
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So he sits down with the BBC.
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Because I can tell you, categorically…
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I don’t remember meeting her… at all.
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I do not remember
a photograph being taken,
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and I’ve said consistently
and, um… and frequently…
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that we never had
any sort of sexual contact whatever.
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So I’m sitting outside,
and I’m having my cup of coffee,
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and I’m watching it on my tablet.
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I mean, I wanted to throw my tablet
in the pool.
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[stammering] I’ve no recollection
of ever meeting her.
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[Giuffre] As a victim,
I think one thing that we ask for is
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some acknowledgment and some remorse.
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This guy didn’t have any remorse at all.
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00:24:14,995 –> 00:24:17,247
His arrogance about it, I mean…
361
00:24:18,165 –> 00:24:20,167
The whole „I don’t sweat“ thing…
362
00:24:20,250 –> 00:24:26,340
[stammering] I have a peculiar medical
condition, which is that I don’t sweat…
363
00:24:26,423 –> 00:24:28,717
Um… Or I didn’t sweat at the time.
364
00:24:28,801 –> 00:24:31,470
This guy was, like,
profusely sweating all over me, and…
365
00:24:31,553 –> 00:24:33,472
„I don’t remember her.
I’ve never been upstairs
366
00:24:33,555 –> 00:24:36,141
at Ghislaine’s townhouse.“
How did you know that’s upstairs?
367
00:24:36,976 –> 00:24:38,727
She provided a photo
368
00:24:38,811 –> 00:24:40,521
-of the two of you together.
-Yes.
369
00:24:41,105 –> 00:24:43,190
[Emily Maitlis]
Your arm was around her waist.
370
00:24:43,273 –> 00:24:44,817
-[Prince Andrew] Yes.
-You’ve seen the photo?
371
00:24:44,900 –> 00:24:47,403
-I’ve seen the photograph.
-[Maitlis] How do you explain that?
372
00:24:47,486 –> 00:24:48,320
I can’t.
373
00:24:50,322 –> 00:24:51,824
‚Cause I don’t… I have no…
374
00:24:51,907 –> 00:24:55,869
Again, I have absolutely no memory
of that photograph ever being taken.
375
00:24:58,914 –> 00:25:01,709
[Giuffre] I didn’t expect him
to put his hand up and say, „I’m guilty.“
376
00:25:02,334 –> 00:25:03,168
I didn’t.
377
00:25:03,502 –> 00:25:08,340
But some form of remorse
or acknowledgment would have been…
378
00:25:09,508 –> 00:25:10,759
Would have been better.
379
00:25:12,720 –> 00:25:14,430
I think it’s been universally agreed.
380
00:25:14,513 –> 00:25:16,724
It was one of the worst mea culpas
ever known to man.
381
00:25:16,807 –> 00:25:18,934
I mean, if people didn’t think
he was guilty before,
382
00:25:19,018 –> 00:25:23,105
after his interview, I think people
thought that something had happened.
383
00:25:23,188 –> 00:25:25,816
So I think that kind of backfired on him.
384
00:25:38,746 –> 00:25:41,081
[Scully]
After Jeffrey Epstein was arrested,
385
00:25:41,165 –> 00:25:44,960
all of a sudden, the FBI now,
and this task force, they interviewed me.
386
00:25:45,461 –> 00:25:47,713
They had me look at, uh…
a large series…
387
00:25:47,796 –> 00:25:50,382
It must have been
60 or 70 photos of people.
388
00:25:51,800 –> 00:25:54,136
Then they showed me
one of Virginia Roberts,
389
00:25:54,887 –> 00:25:57,973
but it was a current photo,
and I couldn’t identify her.
390
00:25:58,057 –> 00:26:00,184
But… I was told to check
391
00:26:00,267 –> 00:26:04,188
a photo that had emerged
out of all of this investigative work,
392
00:26:04,813 –> 00:26:08,484
and that photo is a photo of Prince Andrew
393
00:26:09,068 –> 00:26:12,905
with a young blonde girl.
And as soon as I saw her…
394
00:26:12,988 –> 00:26:16,950
That was the girl that he was kind of,
like, grinding against at the pool.
395
00:26:19,411 –> 00:26:21,872
She was, at that time,
wearing a bikini bottom.
396
00:26:23,415 –> 00:26:24,249
That’s it.
397
00:26:25,709 –> 00:26:29,880
But I absolutely can tell you
that the photo of her, in the picture,
398
00:26:29,963 –> 00:26:33,383
which is her when she is, I think, 17…
399
00:26:34,093 –> 00:26:36,345
that was Virginia Roberts.
400
00:26:44,311 –> 00:26:47,356
Epstein should have been
behind bars years ago.
401
00:26:47,815 –> 00:26:49,149
But, unfortunately,
402
00:26:49,358 –> 00:26:52,111
Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta
403
00:26:52,194 –> 00:26:54,863
cut Epstein a sweetheart deal,
404
00:26:55,322 –> 00:26:58,867
while Acosta was a US attorney
in Florida in 2008.
405
00:26:59,159 –> 00:27:02,955
I am calling on Secretary Acosta
to resign.
406
00:27:05,457 –> 00:27:07,251
[camera shutters clicking furiously]
407
00:27:10,420 –> 00:27:12,297
[Alexander Acosta]
Let me start by reiterating
408
00:27:12,506 –> 00:27:16,885
that I’m pleased that
the New York prosecution is going forward.
409
00:27:17,803 –> 00:27:21,723
They’ve brought these charges based on
new evidence against Jeffrey Epstein,
410
00:27:21,807 –> 00:27:23,767
who is now a registered sex offender.
411
00:27:24,184 –> 00:27:27,062
And this is a very, very good thing.
412
00:27:27,855 –> 00:27:31,942
It’s quite unbelievable that Mr. Acosta
could get up there with a straight face
413
00:27:32,025 –> 00:27:35,154
and talk about how uh… he’s happy
414
00:27:35,237 –> 00:27:37,990
that new charges are brought
by the Southern District of New York,
415
00:27:38,073 –> 00:27:41,952
which means, essentially, Mr. Acosta
is admitting that it’s wonderful
416
00:27:42,035 –> 00:27:45,914
that another district office was doing
a better investigation than his office did
417
00:27:45,998 –> 00:27:47,875
and found more victims than he did.
418
00:27:50,169 –> 00:27:52,004
[Acosta] I called the President
this morning.
419
00:27:52,087 –> 00:27:55,674
I told him that I thought
the right thing was to step aside.
420
00:27:56,258 –> 00:28:01,388
I do not think it is right and fair
for this administration’s Labor Department
421
00:28:01,471 –> 00:28:03,765
to have Epstein as a focus.
422
00:28:03,849 –> 00:28:07,144
Th… This is just totally
a bunch of bullshit.
423
00:28:07,227 –> 00:28:10,731
It would be selfish for me
to stay in this position.
424
00:28:10,814 –> 00:28:13,442
[Fisten] He knows that we know now that
425
00:28:13,525 –> 00:28:16,945
this case was never an ultimatum
to Jeffrey Epstein.
426
00:28:17,029 –> 00:28:18,822
That this was an indictment
427
00:28:19,323 –> 00:28:21,742
that the federal government
had against him
428
00:28:21,825 –> 00:28:24,328
that they decided not to go forward with.
429
00:28:24,786 –> 00:28:26,872
Now, I know why he resigned today.
430
00:28:27,497 –> 00:28:32,127
Because he knew,within 24 hours,
the real people that knew the truth
431
00:28:32,211 –> 00:28:34,838
were going to come forward and say
432
00:28:34,922 –> 00:28:38,717
that, „Mr. Acosta, you’re full of shit.
That’s not what happened.“
433
00:28:38,800 –> 00:28:39,718
Excuse my French.
434
00:28:41,762 –> 00:28:45,224
[menacing music]
435
00:28:47,684 –> 00:28:49,770
[reporter] A Manhattan judge
is expected to decide
436
00:28:49,853 –> 00:28:53,649
whether Jeffrey Epstein should be released
on bail ahead of his federal trial.
437
00:28:54,149 –> 00:28:55,484
Epstein pleaded not guilty.
438
00:28:55,567 –> 00:28:59,279
His attorneys say he’s ready to post
up to 100 million dollars bail.
439
00:28:59,363 –> 00:29:02,908
And you have victims who say
that they are frightened
440
00:29:03,408 –> 00:29:05,285
if he is out.
441
00:29:05,369 –> 00:29:07,579
[chattering]
442
00:29:07,663 –> 00:29:10,290
[Wild] I was able to fly to New York
443
00:29:10,374 –> 00:29:12,501
to be present at the court hearings.
444
00:29:12,584 –> 00:29:15,295
I definitely thought
he would get out on bond,
445
00:29:15,379 –> 00:29:17,589
just because of how much money he has.
446
00:29:18,298 –> 00:29:21,510
And it was just like, that’s exactly
what happened the first time.
447
00:29:22,594 –> 00:29:25,055
[Annie Farmer] I didn’t even know
if I could get into the court
448
00:29:25,138 –> 00:29:27,015
because I wasn’t sure how it worked, um…
449
00:29:27,099 –> 00:29:29,601
But I just wanted there
to be somebody there
450
00:29:29,685 –> 00:29:31,645
to represent the survivors.
451
00:29:32,396 –> 00:29:33,897
What do you think is the safest route?
452
00:29:33,981 –> 00:29:35,899
David, I think we should take it that way.
453
00:29:35,983 –> 00:29:37,359
That way. Yeah, more quiet.
454
00:29:37,442 –> 00:29:38,735
-Ready?
-Let’s go.
455
00:29:38,819 –> 00:29:41,905
-[Edwards] We’re gonna try to get in.
-[McCawley] Let’s go. It’ll be more quiet.
456
00:29:41,989 –> 00:29:45,659
They’re very courageous and they want
to encourage others to come forward.
457
00:29:45,742 –> 00:29:46,785
That’s why they’re here.
458
00:29:48,704 –> 00:29:50,205
[Wild] That day was crazy.
459
00:29:51,206 –> 00:29:54,960
Media attention, and it was something
that I never dealt with before.
460
00:29:55,043 –> 00:29:56,295
[man] Brad, this way.
461
00:29:57,045 –> 00:29:59,548
[Wild] It was just a lot to take in
all in one day.
462
00:30:00,882 –> 00:30:04,761
I was terrified. I had never experienced
something like that. I was…
463
00:30:04,845 –> 00:30:08,432
I was actually, like, holding
Courtney’s hand because I was like…
464
00:30:08,515 –> 00:30:12,853
„Uh… I need to feel some kind of, like,
comfort right now.“
465
00:30:14,896 –> 00:30:19,151
[Wild] Me and Michelle definitely…
It was like soul sisters.
466
00:30:19,234 –> 00:30:21,862
„We were victims of Jeffrey Epstein,
and here we are.
467
00:30:22,112 –> 00:30:25,449
There’s no more hiding.
You know, it’s no more Jane Doe.
468
00:30:25,532 –> 00:30:30,037
Like, I’m Courtney Wild, and I was
sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein.“
469
00:30:33,040 –> 00:30:36,752
Michelle said the same thing,
and it was just overwhelming.
470
00:30:37,919 –> 00:30:41,214
But there’s power in more than one person.
471
00:30:43,133 –> 00:30:46,511
[Licata] I want him to… to look at me,
472
00:30:46,595 –> 00:30:49,639
and I wanted to be like,
„Do you remember me?
473
00:30:49,723 –> 00:30:54,353
Do you remember my face?
Do you remember anything about me?
474
00:30:54,603 –> 00:30:58,857
Of course you don’t remember me,
because there was hundreds like me.
475
00:30:59,316 –> 00:31:04,529
You don’t remember me, but, uh!
I’ll remember you for the rest of my life.
476
00:31:04,905 –> 00:31:07,616
That’s something that I have to remember.
477
00:31:07,699 –> 00:31:11,036
So I want you to take a good look
at my face right now,
478
00:31:11,119 –> 00:31:12,746
and I want you to remember
479
00:31:12,829 –> 00:31:17,793
the people that are going to put you
in prison for the rest of your life.“
480
00:31:20,253 –> 00:31:22,714
[suspenseful music]
481
00:31:23,715 –> 00:31:27,052
[reporters clamoring]
482
00:31:31,223 –> 00:31:32,599
[man] Brad, we’ve gotta go soon.
483
00:31:34,643 –> 00:31:36,603
[Licata] You know,
my heart’s starting to race,
484
00:31:36,686 –> 00:31:39,147
like, „Oh, my God, this is… This is…
485
00:31:39,773 –> 00:31:44,277
the moment, like, I have kind of dreaded
486
00:31:44,694 –> 00:31:46,488
ten years, 15 years?“
487
00:31:47,906 –> 00:31:50,492
I’m going to see him, and…
488
00:31:51,076 –> 00:31:53,495
I haven’t seen him since he was
489
00:31:54,204 –> 00:31:55,914
laying out on a table,
490
00:31:56,665 –> 00:31:59,876
masturbating and going to town on himself.
491
00:31:59,960 –> 00:32:01,336
And, you know,
492
00:32:01,420 –> 00:32:05,757
like, that’s the last time
I’ve actually seen him in person.
493
00:32:07,551 –> 00:32:10,262
[reporters clamoring]
494
00:32:10,345 –> 00:32:12,639
Stay back, stay back, stay back!
495
00:32:12,722 –> 00:32:15,308
Go back. No. Stay up on the steps.
496
00:32:19,271 –> 00:32:21,606
[Licata] I was sitting
in the courtroom, and…
497
00:32:21,690 –> 00:32:24,317
I was just… I was so upset.
498
00:32:24,401 –> 00:32:26,236
I was… I was crying.
499
00:32:26,361 –> 00:32:28,780
It was super overwhelming, um…
500
00:32:29,614 –> 00:32:33,076
He had, like, a bald spot
on the back of his head.
501
00:32:34,703 –> 00:32:38,540
He was in, like, the jumpsuit.
I was like…
502
00:32:39,583 –> 00:32:42,711
„This is just… This is unbelievable.“
503
00:32:50,802 –> 00:32:54,473
[Wild] I got to look at him in the face
in the courtroom and say,
504
00:32:54,556 –> 00:32:58,935
I was sexually abused by him,
by Jeffrey when I was 14,
505
00:32:59,019 –> 00:33:01,354
and to please not give him bond
and stuff like that.
506
00:33:01,438 –> 00:33:04,357
And even though it was
such a short period of time,
507
00:33:04,441 –> 00:33:06,485
it was just a short statement
I got to say,
508
00:33:06,568 –> 00:33:09,905
you know, he still had to look at me
and hear me say that.
509
00:33:12,782 –> 00:33:16,286
[Edwards] His attorneys were offering
hundreds of millions of dollars
510
00:33:16,369 –> 00:33:20,499
for bond money, which should ensure
that he’s going to return.
511
00:33:20,916 –> 00:33:22,876
[McCawley]
It started at 500 million.
512
00:33:23,418 –> 00:33:25,587
They were making offers to the court
513
00:33:25,670 –> 00:33:28,465
in order to try to convince the judge
to let him out.
514
00:33:28,548 –> 00:33:31,593
He’ll give all of his wealth,
whatever it takes to get him out.
515
00:33:33,178 –> 00:33:36,723
[Edwards] But then the prosecutors
presented additional evidence.
516
00:33:37,432 –> 00:33:38,642
When they broke into the home,
517
00:33:38,725 –> 00:33:41,186
and they found child pornography
in his safe,
518
00:33:41,645 –> 00:33:46,399
they also found a number of other things,
diamonds, passports that were false.
519
00:33:47,734 –> 00:33:49,861
[Edwards] The diamonds, passport…
520
00:33:49,945 –> 00:33:51,530
It looks like an escape plan.
521
00:33:52,072 –> 00:33:53,865
He’s had an escape plan forever.
522
00:33:58,161 –> 00:33:59,496
[woman] Ha!
523
00:33:59,579 –> 00:34:01,623
-Good shit.
-[cameraman] What happened?
524
00:34:01,706 –> 00:34:02,791
He’s not getting out,
525
00:34:02,874 –> 00:34:07,212
and this means he’ll probably spend
the rest of his life in jail.
526
00:34:07,754 –> 00:34:10,924
[McCawley] We’re thrilled today
with the ruling by Judge Berman.
527
00:34:11,007 –> 00:34:14,511
Only by taking away the freedom
of Jeffrey Epstein
528
00:34:14,594 –> 00:34:17,556
can we restore the freedom
of these victims.
529
00:34:17,639 –> 00:34:20,642
No bail for Jeffrey Epstein,
the judge agreeing with the government
530
00:34:20,725 –> 00:34:22,852
that Epstein presents
a danger to the community
531
00:34:22,936 –> 00:34:24,688
and also an extreme risk of flight.
532
00:34:24,771 –> 00:34:27,357
[Musgrave] He also talked a lot
about the community can’t be safe.
533
00:34:27,440 –> 00:34:28,817
He was a danger to the community.
534
00:34:28,900 –> 00:34:32,779
And he was very, uh… moved
by the statements by the two victims.
535
00:34:34,406 –> 00:34:36,866
[Tim Malloy] This is a guy
who manipulated, threatened,
536
00:34:36,950 –> 00:34:39,202
uh… bought his way
in and out of trouble.
537
00:34:39,828 –> 00:34:44,291
And now, for the first time in a jail cell
in Lower Manhattan,
538
00:34:44,374 –> 00:34:47,085
it looks like there was no way
to buy his way out.
539
00:34:58,096 –> 00:35:02,017
[Robson] With everything coming out again
and having to go through and relive it,
540
00:35:02,100 –> 00:35:02,934
I’m scared.
541
00:35:03,018 –> 00:35:04,853
Scared to be dragged
through the media again.
542
00:35:05,895 –> 00:35:07,522
It’s just been a roller coaster.
543
00:35:09,107 –> 00:35:10,984
I’ve been up and down every day.
544
00:35:11,776 –> 00:35:15,447
I have been sick to my stomach.
Um… I’ve cried a lot.
545
00:35:16,031 –> 00:35:18,158
I mean, I think we can all assume
with his…
546
00:35:18,867 –> 00:35:20,869
reach, and his planes, and his wealth,
547
00:35:20,952 –> 00:35:25,290
he could very well walk out the front door
and we could never see him again.
548
00:35:27,208 –> 00:35:30,629
And I’m hoping that after this time,
549
00:35:31,212 –> 00:35:35,925
um, that it’s the final time,
and that he actually does not get out.
550
00:35:40,513 –> 00:35:42,515
[suspenseful music grows]
551
00:35:50,315 –> 00:35:53,526
[Annie Farmer] I was laying on the sofa
and kind of drifting in an out of sleep,
552
00:35:53,610 –> 00:35:57,572
and, um… my husband came
and sat next to me,
553
00:35:57,656 –> 00:36:01,660
and he woke me up, like, you know,
in a way that I knew something was wrong.
554
00:36:01,743 –> 00:36:03,244
And he said, „I have some hard news.“
555
00:36:08,041 –> 00:36:11,169
[male reporter 1] The disgraced financier
Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
556
00:36:11,252 –> 00:36:14,631
Epstein took his own life
while behind bars here in New York City,
557
00:36:14,714 –> 00:36:16,716
while facing charges of sex trafficking.
558
00:36:17,592 –> 00:36:19,177
„Committed suicide?What?
559
00:36:20,011 –> 00:36:21,429
How is that possible?“
560
00:36:23,098 –> 00:36:25,809
[male reporter 1] What we know is
at some point this morning,
561
00:36:25,892 –> 00:36:29,312
the Bureau of Prisons and prison officials
found Jeffrey Epstein in his cell.
562
00:36:29,396 –> 00:36:31,940
Apparently, he had hanged himself.
563
00:36:33,316 –> 00:36:34,901
[Maria Farmer] I was kind of in shock.
564
00:36:35,694 –> 00:36:38,321
It didn’t hit me for maybe a couple hours,
565
00:36:38,405 –> 00:36:40,740
and then I got really, really angry
566
00:36:40,824 –> 00:36:45,078
that I couldn’t face him and tell him
what he’d done to me and my life.
567
00:36:47,997 –> 00:36:50,041
[male reporter 2] His body
in that van you see there
568
00:36:50,125 –> 00:36:52,127
seen heading
for the Medical Examiner’s office.
569
00:36:52,210 –> 00:36:56,756
It is a stunning turn of events for a man
who lived a life of exceptional wealth
570
00:36:56,840 –> 00:36:59,217
with extremely powerful people
in his orbit.
571
00:36:59,300 –> 00:37:00,301
[camera shutter clicks]
572
00:37:01,594 –> 00:37:03,722
[Malloy] It is inconceivable
that in a prison,
573
00:37:03,805 –> 00:37:07,308
a federal prison
that housed terrorists and El Chapo,
574
00:37:07,392 –> 00:37:09,936
that had cameras,
that had guards everywhere,
575
00:37:10,019 –> 00:37:11,479
that something could go wrong
576
00:37:11,563 –> 00:37:14,232
and harm could come to Jeffrey Epstein.
Inconceivable.
577
00:37:22,741 –> 00:37:25,326
Reports indicated
that he tied his bed sheet
578
00:37:25,785 –> 00:37:28,580
around his neck, and strangled himself.
579
00:37:33,752 –> 00:37:36,171
It’s a federal prison,
notoriously underfunded,
580
00:37:36,713 –> 00:37:38,256
something of a hellhole,
581
00:37:38,339 –> 00:37:40,508
and it’s revealed
that the guards were sleeping.
582
00:37:40,592 –> 00:37:42,051
The cameras weren’t working.
583
00:37:42,886 –> 00:37:45,472
Everything that could go wrong went wrong.
584
00:37:49,726 –> 00:37:53,021
[Annie Farmer] Honestly,
I felt so devastated that…
585
00:37:54,689 –> 00:37:56,441
once again, he had…
586
00:37:57,650 –> 00:38:01,488
you know, managed to escape
any kind of accountability.
587
00:38:03,990 –> 00:38:06,743
That’s how it felt.
Like people just didn’t care enough
588
00:38:06,826 –> 00:38:10,955
to make sure that he was alive
to go to trial.
589
00:38:12,832 –> 00:38:14,417
[raining]
590
00:38:14,501 –> 00:38:16,377
[Rivera] There’s no justice in this.
591
00:38:16,753 –> 00:38:18,338
[thunder rumbles]
592
00:38:18,713 –> 00:38:21,549
There was just so much more to be said…
593
00:38:21,800 –> 00:38:23,676
that’s never going to be said.
594
00:38:24,594 –> 00:38:25,678
And that’s sad.
595
00:38:27,138 –> 00:38:29,140
-[rain pouring]
-[thunder rumbling]
596
00:38:30,016 –> 00:38:32,143
[Rivera] I didn’t know how to react to it.
597
00:38:32,227 –> 00:38:34,979
I felt sad immediately and I…
598
00:38:35,480 –> 00:38:38,441
Not to say that, like,
he didn’t do bad things,
599
00:38:38,525 –> 00:38:42,362
not to say that he didn’t deserve
something terrible to happen to him…
600
00:38:43,488 –> 00:38:48,451
I just don’t think that was the ending
that anybody wanted.
601
00:38:50,328 –> 00:38:52,330
[rain falling]
602
00:38:53,706 –> 00:38:57,418
Before I begin,
I’d like to briefly address news
603
00:38:57,502 –> 00:39:01,673
from the Manhattan Correctional Center
over the weekend
604
00:39:01,756 –> 00:39:03,675
regarding Jeffrey Epstein.
605
00:39:04,676 –> 00:39:08,513
We are now learning of serious
irregularities at this facility
606
00:39:08,596 –> 00:39:10,515
that are deeply concerning
607
00:39:10,890 –> 00:39:14,185
and demand a thorough investigation.
608
00:39:16,104 –> 00:39:19,732
[Charles Gasparino] If you wanna know how
he could slip through the cracks on this,
609
00:39:19,816 –> 00:39:22,819
the New York’s Metropolitan Correction
Center used to be called „the Tombs.“
610
00:39:23,528 –> 00:39:26,990
It’s a notoriously, you know, harsh place.
611
00:39:27,407 –> 00:39:30,994
It’s understaffed, and largely staffed
by not the smartest people.
612
00:39:31,536 –> 00:39:33,997
He knew his life was done.
613
00:39:35,123 –> 00:39:36,833
He wanted to kill himself,
614
00:39:36,916 –> 00:39:39,043
and he killed himself
the first chance he got.
615
00:39:43,840 –> 00:39:46,843
[Musgrave] I think it’s just typical
of the whole Jeffrey Epstein story.
616
00:39:46,926 –> 00:39:49,679
Even in death,
he kept the controversy alive.
617
00:39:50,597 –> 00:39:53,600
[female reporter] Wild rumors and theories
about how Jeffrey Epstein died
618
00:39:53,683 –> 00:39:56,769
on the federal government’s watch
is breeding online.
619
00:39:57,020 –> 00:39:58,855
[Musgrave] I think
it’s the never-ending story.
620
00:39:58,938 –> 00:40:02,358
Did he kill himself?
Was he killed? Was there a hit out?
621
00:40:02,442 –> 00:40:06,404
Did one of these powerful men
pay a prison guard to kill him?
622
00:40:06,779 –> 00:40:07,614
I don’t know.
623
00:40:07,989 –> 00:40:09,908
[suspenseful music]
624
00:40:11,117 –> 00:40:13,912
This case is ripe for conspiracy theories.
625
00:40:14,871 –> 00:40:18,750
That’s part of the story.
There’s so many weird sort of connections.
626
00:40:19,876 –> 00:40:23,838
Conspiracy theorists have claimed
that Epstein’s death wasn’t a suicide,
627
00:40:23,922 –> 00:40:25,256
or it was faked.
628
00:40:25,340 –> 00:40:27,800
Other Epstein theories floating online,
629
00:40:27,884 –> 00:40:30,845
„How convenient now
for the princes, and politicians,
630
00:40:30,929 –> 00:40:33,264
and other powerful people
Epstein mingled with
631
00:40:33,765 –> 00:40:34,641
that he’s dead.“
632
00:40:36,100 –> 00:40:38,394
[Davies] I’m sure
many people wanted him dead.
633
00:40:38,478 –> 00:40:41,147
He had a lot of information
on a lot of people, a lot of blackmail.
634
00:40:41,230 –> 00:40:42,649
Videos and pictures.
635
00:40:44,901 –> 00:40:47,278
[Maria Farmer] If you look here,
the limestone,
636
00:40:47,362 –> 00:40:50,657
inside the house,
behind, like, a space like that,
637
00:40:50,740 –> 00:40:53,159
they have cameras,
and they have them everywhere.
638
00:40:54,410 –> 00:40:58,498
Jeffrey took me into a room which is
a bit back further than this window,
639
00:40:58,581 –> 00:40:59,999
and it’s leaded.
640
00:41:00,625 –> 00:41:03,211
And it had all the computers
641
00:41:03,294 –> 00:41:07,882
and all these monitors, like,
the old-fashioned TV monitors, stacked.
642
00:41:09,092 –> 00:41:11,844
[Giuffre] I’m looking at the monitors,
and I’m like, „That’s my room.
643
00:41:11,928 –> 00:41:13,221
That’s the massage room.
644
00:41:13,304 –> 00:41:15,390
That’s my shower. That’s my toilet.
645
00:41:15,890 –> 00:41:17,725
That’s everyone else’s toilet
in the house.
646
00:41:17,809 –> 00:41:19,769
That’s everyone else’s shower
in the house.“
647
00:41:19,852 –> 00:41:23,022
That’s… Every single corner
of that house was monitored.
648
00:41:23,606 –> 00:41:26,275
He was watching everybody all the time.
649
00:41:26,609 –> 00:41:28,361
This was a blackmail scheme.
650
00:41:28,695 –> 00:41:32,073
All those powerful people
abusing underage girls.
651
00:41:32,156 –> 00:41:33,074
When he told me,
652
00:41:33,157 –> 00:41:36,411
„People owe me favors,
and I will never get caught.
653
00:41:36,494 –> 00:41:38,079
I can get away with things,“
654
00:41:38,788 –> 00:41:39,831
he meant it.
655
00:41:41,499 –> 00:41:45,003
[Ransome] I think that he would take
a lot of people down.
656
00:41:45,086 –> 00:41:47,213
This wasn’t just a ring
for Jeffrey Epstein.
657
00:41:47,296 –> 00:41:49,882
This was an international
sex trafficking ring.
658
00:41:50,717 –> 00:41:52,677
This has reached all over the world.
659
00:41:54,095 –> 00:41:57,306
He is a very small piece
in a huge network.
660
00:42:00,309 –> 00:42:04,188
[Malloy] Mark Epstein, Jeffrey’s brother,
is not buying the suicide.
661
00:42:04,272 –> 00:42:05,440
He doesn’t believe it.
662
00:42:05,523 –> 00:42:10,987
So he hires a renowned forensic expert
to take another look at the autopsy.
663
00:42:16,868 –> 00:42:20,121
[Dr. Cyril Wecht]
A call came in from Dr. Michael Baden,
664
00:42:20,204 –> 00:42:23,541
who is representing the family,
specifically the brother,
665
00:42:23,624 –> 00:42:25,168
Mr. Mark Epstein.
666
00:42:25,752 –> 00:42:28,755
I then received a copy
of the autopsy report
667
00:42:28,838 –> 00:42:32,008
and discussed things with Dr. Baden
at great length.
668
00:42:33,259 –> 00:42:35,720
There was no evidence at all to indicate
669
00:42:35,803 –> 00:42:38,890
that he had jumped or leaped
from the bunk.
670
00:42:40,224 –> 00:42:44,645
I came to learn that there were
fractures of the hyoid bone,
671
00:42:44,729 –> 00:42:47,398
which is a delicate, U-shaped bone
672
00:42:47,482 –> 00:42:51,027
located high in the neck directly
beneath the mandible, the lower jaw.
673
00:42:51,986 –> 00:42:56,407
I have here, uh…
from a totally unrelated case, of course,
674
00:42:56,491 –> 00:42:57,408
a hyoid bone.
675
00:42:57,825 –> 00:43:00,745
Now, there is some soft tissue
still attached.
676
00:43:00,828 –> 00:43:02,455
On, uh, Jeffrey Epstein,
677
00:43:02,538 –> 00:43:04,248
three fractures were found:
678
00:43:04,332 –> 00:43:08,169
the horn of the hyoid bone
on the left side,
679
00:43:09,003 –> 00:43:11,380
and then directly beneath
on Jeffrey Epstein
680
00:43:11,464 –> 00:43:13,674
there were fractures
of the thyroid cartilage
681
00:43:13,758 –> 00:43:17,303
and then on the right side
of the thyroid cartilage.
682
00:43:19,639 –> 00:43:22,058
You do not get those three fractures
683
00:43:22,141 –> 00:43:25,895
with a suicidal hanging
of someone leaning forward.
684
00:43:25,978 –> 00:43:29,190
So where, again, is the force
685
00:43:29,273 –> 00:43:34,195
that would have been required to produce
those fractures from kneeling forward?
686
00:43:35,655 –> 00:43:39,450
I can say I’ve never seen it myself
in all of my autopsies.
687
00:43:39,534 –> 00:43:44,497
I would say, to have these three fractures
in that kind of a suicidal hanging
688
00:43:44,580 –> 00:43:48,376
would be extremely rare. Extremely rare.
689
00:43:54,298 –> 00:43:57,635
[Gasparino] What really took this tragedy
to another level, in my view,
690
00:43:57,718 –> 00:44:01,639
was when he moved his money over
to the Virgin Islands in his will.
691
00:44:08,396 –> 00:44:12,400
[Edwards] Jeffrey Epstein signed a will
two days before he committed suicide.
692
00:44:12,483 –> 00:44:15,403
At that time,
he knew he was committing suicide,
693
00:44:15,486 –> 00:44:18,698
but I would presume
his lawyers didn’t know that.
694
00:44:21,033 –> 00:44:24,370
[Gasparino] It made it much more difficult
for the victims to get restitution,
695
00:44:24,453 –> 00:44:29,542
and in my view, it sort of underscored
his evilness, you know, his venality.
696
00:44:29,625 –> 00:44:33,588
It basically showed that he had
no remorse whatsoever.
697
00:44:33,671 –> 00:44:35,173
He didn’t think he did anything wrong.
698
00:44:35,256 –> 00:44:38,259
That just says it all
about Jeffrey Epstein, you know.
699
00:44:38,342 –> 00:44:40,595
It was a „Fuck you“ to the victims.
700
00:44:41,262 –> 00:44:45,057
Like, he had no, sort of, remorse
about victims.
701
00:44:45,808 –> 00:44:48,644
[Edwards] The victims… Certain things
have been taken from them forever.
702
00:44:48,728 –> 00:44:51,856
They’ll never get the satisfaction
of seeing him in jail for life.
703
00:44:52,440 –> 00:44:55,401
But there will come a point in time
where they’re able to prove
704
00:44:55,484 –> 00:44:58,487
that they were victimized,
they were harmed by the victimization,
705
00:44:58,571 –> 00:45:01,115
and… and that they should be
compensated for it.
706
00:45:01,616 –> 00:45:03,326
But they’re never going to be made whole,
707
00:45:03,409 –> 00:45:06,078
because you just can’t ever take back
what happened to them.
708
00:45:17,131 –> 00:45:19,800
[Malloy] Epstein’s lawyers
wanted to dismiss the case.
709
00:45:20,593 –> 00:45:22,261
You can’t, uh… try a dead guy.
710
00:45:23,304 –> 00:45:25,223
But the judge wasn’t going
to let that happen.
711
00:45:25,306 –> 00:45:28,893
The judge was going to let some
of the victims have their day in court.
712
00:45:29,644 –> 00:45:31,938
-[man] Good morning, Your Honor.
-Nice to see you.
713
00:45:32,021 –> 00:45:33,231
[man] Nice to see you.
714
00:45:33,731 –> 00:45:37,193
[reporter 1] Up to 30 women are expected
to accept a New York judge’s invitation
715
00:45:37,276 –> 00:45:38,402
to address the hearing
716
00:45:38,486 –> 00:45:42,865
before he moves to dismiss the criminal
sex trafficking case against Epstein.
717
00:45:44,951 –> 00:45:47,995
[Davies] The invite to the hearing
was all very last-minute.
718
00:45:48,329 –> 00:45:51,040
As emotional as this has all been for me,
719
00:45:51,123 –> 00:45:55,086
it’s also ignited, sort of, this dragon,
if you will, in me
720
00:45:55,169 –> 00:45:56,963
that I feel the need to…
721
00:45:57,588 –> 00:46:00,967
speak my truth
and to have my voice heard.
722
00:46:02,635 –> 00:46:04,637
[reporter 2]
More than a dozen alleged victims
723
00:46:04,720 –> 00:46:09,016
of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein
finally had their day in court.
724
00:46:09,433 –> 00:46:11,143
[Wild] We deserved our day in court.
725
00:46:11,227 –> 00:46:14,730
I think it was a very cowardly thing
for him to do.
726
00:46:14,814 –> 00:46:16,315
He escaped justice.
727
00:46:16,399 –> 00:46:18,276
[reporters clamoring]
728
00:46:18,818 –> 00:46:20,569
[Annie Farmer] I was so touched
729
00:46:20,653 –> 00:46:24,198
by the strength of the women
that were there
730
00:46:24,282 –> 00:46:27,743
getting up and sharing their experiences,
so many for the first time.
731
00:46:28,119 –> 00:46:31,289
It was a very cathartic experience
to be there.
732
00:46:33,040 –> 00:46:35,376
[Ransome] Judge Berman,
he changed my life.
733
00:46:35,793 –> 00:46:37,003
For the first time,
734
00:46:37,086 –> 00:46:39,338
I actually saw someone
in a position of power
735
00:46:39,422 –> 00:46:42,300
that actually had any form of respect
for us,
736
00:46:42,717 –> 00:46:43,718
and he listened,
737
00:46:44,176 –> 00:46:45,803
and that’s all I ever wanted,
738
00:46:46,387 –> 00:46:49,056
was for someone to listen
and for someone to hear me.
739
00:46:51,142 –> 00:46:53,227
[Giuffre] Judge Berman
gave me back something
740
00:46:53,311 –> 00:46:55,187
that I never thought was possible.
741
00:46:56,689 –> 00:46:58,941
He gave me back a piece of myself that…
742
00:47:00,401 –> 00:47:02,153
was missing for so long.
743
00:47:02,611 –> 00:47:04,280
Hugging those girls in court…
744
00:47:08,617 –> 00:47:10,161
[sighs]
745
00:47:10,244 –> 00:47:11,746
It was beautiful.
746
00:47:12,621 –> 00:47:14,081
[sighs]
747
00:47:15,708 –> 00:47:18,044
We cried, we laughed, we hugged…
748
00:47:19,295 –> 00:47:22,673
and we all had each other’s backs
that day in court.
749
00:47:23,883 –> 00:47:25,885
[reporters clamoring]
750
00:47:27,720 –> 00:47:30,389
[Edwards] The way that Judge Berman
treated these victims
751
00:47:30,473 –> 00:47:35,186
is going to be the model
for how victims should be treated.
752
00:47:35,770 –> 00:47:39,815
I think that it’s going to go down
in history as the most important case
753
00:47:39,899 –> 00:47:43,152
on behalf of crime victims
in US history to date.
754
00:47:43,611 –> 00:47:46,530
[Davies] It makes me sick to my stomach
that there’s perpetrators out there that
755
00:47:47,281 –> 00:47:49,992
obviously helped him in many ways
for a very long time,
756
00:47:50,076 –> 00:47:51,160
and they’re still out there.
757
00:47:51,243 –> 00:47:56,082
It gives nobody justice, and it leaves
a lot of unanswered questions.
758
00:47:56,832 –> 00:48:00,711
It’s also pretty upsetting to see
how many lives he’s devastated,
759
00:48:00,795 –> 00:48:01,629
and to see…
760
00:48:02,755 –> 00:48:06,092
how long this went on for,
and nobody did anything about it.
761
00:48:11,430 –> 00:48:13,516
[McCawley] It’s incredibly scary
to come forward
762
00:48:13,599 –> 00:48:15,726
against someone like Jeffrey Epstein,
763
00:48:15,810 –> 00:48:20,106
who’s a billionaire,
who has friends in very high places,
764
00:48:20,189 –> 00:48:23,526
who has intimidated them,
who has abused them,
765
00:48:23,609 –> 00:48:26,737
and to stand up many years later
and to say, „This was wrong,
766
00:48:26,821 –> 00:48:28,155
it shouldn’t have happened to me,
767
00:48:28,239 –> 00:48:30,741
and I don’t want it to happen
to anybody else,“
768
00:48:30,825 –> 00:48:32,952
is just an incredible thing to witness.
769
00:48:42,378 –> 00:48:43,879
[Maria Farmer] Okay, let’s see.
770
00:48:45,798 –> 00:48:47,466
I felt completely defeated.
771
00:48:49,176 –> 00:48:50,803
My life was threatened.
772
00:48:51,220 –> 00:48:56,058
My work was threatened.
My career was… jeopardized completely.
773
00:48:58,227 –> 00:49:02,022
I’ve pretty much been on a journey
for 20 years of not doing my art,
774
00:49:02,106 –> 00:49:03,065
of not painting,
775
00:49:03,732 –> 00:49:05,985
and I was just trying to survive.
776
00:49:06,569 –> 00:49:11,490
And then I began again painting
because I was tired of being afraid.
777
00:49:12,366 –> 00:49:15,119
I felt like I wanted
to expose the monsters,
778
00:49:15,202 –> 00:49:17,246
and I just needed to get that out.
779
00:49:17,705 –> 00:49:20,583
And so this is an illustration.
780
00:49:20,666 –> 00:49:22,960
Basically, it’s my diagram for the FBI,
781
00:49:23,043 –> 00:49:26,338
because I want them to see
what I told them all those years ago.
782
00:49:27,339 –> 00:49:31,218
And it’s a version of Bosch’s
Garden of Earthly Delights,
783
00:49:31,302 –> 00:49:33,888
which is basically
just like Dante’s Inferno,
784
00:49:34,722 –> 00:49:37,516
portraying Heaven, Hell, and Earth.
785
00:49:38,642 –> 00:49:40,811
This is our lovely Ghislaine Maxwell.
786
00:49:40,895 –> 00:49:43,147
She’s a pill, a hard pill to swallow,
787
00:49:43,230 –> 00:49:45,566
and she’s the property of the FBI
in this drawing.
788
00:49:46,942 –> 00:49:50,696
I put Epstein here with his little UFO
on a NASA tower
789
00:49:50,779 –> 00:49:53,365
because Epstein was, um…
790
00:49:54,325 –> 00:49:56,160
given a free ride by our government.
791
00:49:56,744 –> 00:49:59,872
And, um… Yeah. That’s… [chuckles]
792
00:50:01,582 –> 00:50:02,666
That makes me angry.
793
00:50:05,628 –> 00:50:08,339
So I’m actually working
on something new right now.
794
00:50:08,422 –> 00:50:11,258
I’m drawing the other Epstein survivors
795
00:50:11,342 –> 00:50:14,512
because it empowers me
to provide them with strength.
796
00:50:14,845 –> 00:50:18,140
And basically it’s just about
strength in numbers at this stage.
797
00:50:18,224 –> 00:50:21,519
We really… I mean, we need each other
to get through this.
798
00:50:22,770 –> 00:50:24,396
This is Annie, my sister,
799
00:50:24,939 –> 00:50:26,690
and she’s holding a paper doll.
800
00:50:26,774 –> 00:50:28,067
What’s gonna bind them together
801
00:50:28,150 –> 00:50:29,985
is they’re gonna be holding
these paper dolls,
802
00:50:30,069 –> 00:50:33,739
and the paper dolls represent
the children who have not come forward,
803
00:50:33,822 –> 00:50:35,950
and we don’t know what happened to them.
804
00:50:37,493 –> 00:50:39,787
[Annie Farmer] I think this was just
one chapter in my life.
805
00:50:40,955 –> 00:50:46,126
For a long time, I didn’t want
to think about myself as a victim.
806
00:50:46,544 –> 00:50:50,673
And it’s interesting because
I’ve gone on to work as a therapist.
807
00:50:51,257 –> 00:50:54,802
I do think the fact that
I had this experience has helped me
808
00:50:54,885 –> 00:50:57,721
to understand how people respond
to certain situations,
809
00:50:57,805 –> 00:51:01,100
and, you know, to be
the kind of therapist that I am.
810
00:51:03,435 –> 00:51:04,770
[Maria Farmer] This is Courtney.
811
00:51:04,853 –> 00:51:08,732
Courtney is very strong,
and she’s definitely been through a lot.
812
00:51:09,525 –> 00:51:11,318
And I admire her so much.
813
00:51:15,614 –> 00:51:18,242
[Wild]
My life is definitely still a struggle
814
00:51:18,325 –> 00:51:20,953
for everything that I went through
with Jeffrey.
815
00:51:21,453 –> 00:51:24,415
However, it has kind of come to an end.
816
00:51:24,498 –> 00:51:27,835
It’s a good thing, it’s a bittersweet
thing, because it’s over,
817
00:51:27,918 –> 00:51:30,879
and I can kind of work through
the healing process now.
818
00:51:33,132 –> 00:51:34,383
And this is Michelle.
819
00:51:35,342 –> 00:51:38,345
Michelle has, like,
a really fun spirit, I feel.
820
00:51:38,429 –> 00:51:41,307
She has a great sense of humor,
and, also, she’s beautiful,
821
00:51:41,390 –> 00:51:42,516
and I wanted to…
822
00:51:43,684 –> 00:51:45,936
depict her as I see her, so…
823
00:51:50,107 –> 00:51:51,442
[Licata] This isn’t over.
824
00:51:51,525 –> 00:51:56,071
I really hope that the police,
the FBI, the government…
825
00:51:56,614 –> 00:51:57,656
Just do your job.
826
00:51:57,740 –> 00:52:03,787
I go to work. I do my job every single day
for the rest of my life.
827
00:52:04,038 –> 00:52:07,499
Uh… You’re given
that position and that power
828
00:52:07,583 –> 00:52:09,960
to make things right,
to do the right thing.
829
00:52:10,044 –> 00:52:14,757
So do the right thing. That’s it.
It’s plain and simple, you know?
830
00:52:15,716 –> 00:52:18,093
Take them down. Take everybody down.
831
00:52:21,722 –> 00:52:23,891
[Maria Farmer]
That’s Sarah. She’s my favorite.
832
00:52:28,228 –> 00:52:29,313
I love this girl.
833
00:52:29,813 –> 00:52:30,856
She’s precious.
834
00:52:31,857 –> 00:52:34,652
I feel a very special bond with her.
I love her like a sister.
835
00:52:38,155 –> 00:52:40,074
[Ransome]
I’ll never get to see Jeffrey again,
836
00:52:40,741 –> 00:52:43,577
and I wanted him to see
the woman I have become,
837
00:52:44,328 –> 00:52:46,080
and that he didn’t break me.
838
00:52:46,664 –> 00:52:49,541
And I will fight
till my last breath on Earth.
839
00:52:50,125 –> 00:52:53,212
I’m here today to tell you
that it stops here,
840
00:52:53,295 –> 00:52:55,047
and it stops now, and I am here.
841
00:52:55,130 –> 00:52:57,966
My fight for the rest of my life will be
to make sure
842
00:52:58,050 –> 00:53:01,512
that no woman will ever feel ashamed
to come forward.
843
00:53:05,474 –> 00:53:06,600
This is Virginia.
844
00:53:08,352 –> 00:53:11,480
And I didn’t know that
Virginia used a butterfly as a symbol,
845
00:53:11,855 –> 00:53:16,151
which obviously makes sense,
a symbol of freedom, leaving the cocoon.
846
00:53:16,235 –> 00:53:19,363
But I didn’t know that when I drew this.
I found that kind of interesting.
847
00:53:23,534 –> 00:53:27,287
[Giuffre] Epstein did not act alone.
So my next step is…
848
00:53:27,830 –> 00:53:30,332
holding other people accountable.
849
00:53:30,708 –> 00:53:34,878
The people that were involved,
the people that actually participated,
850
00:53:34,962 –> 00:53:37,172
there are so many of them out there.
851
00:53:38,924 –> 00:53:41,719
None of them have been held accountable.
852
00:53:42,845 –> 00:53:46,140
We were kids being trafficked
under their eyes, under their nose.
853
00:53:46,223 –> 00:53:47,766
They knew exactly what was going on,
854
00:53:48,183 –> 00:53:50,185
and they didn’t say anything about it.
855
00:53:50,352 –> 00:53:52,438
So stop worrying
about saving your own hide
856
00:53:52,521 –> 00:53:54,440
and help us. That’s all we’re asking for.
857
00:53:55,190 –> 00:53:56,525
-Let’s go!
-[dog moaning happily]
858
00:53:56,608 –> 00:53:59,361
What are you doing in there?
What are you doing?
859
00:53:59,445 –> 00:54:01,572
[Giuffre]
The monsters are still out there,
860
00:54:01,655 –> 00:54:03,657
and they’re still abusing other people.
861
00:54:04,533 –> 00:54:08,203
Why they have not been named
and shamed yet… is beyond me.
Transkript der Analyse:
Jeffrey Epstein auf Netflix
Zwischen den Zeilen gelesen
Liebe Rabbits, das hier ist sozusagen eine Schnellschussaktion aus gegebenen Anlass.
Netflix hat die Jeffrey Epstein- Doku veröffentlicht und groß beworben. Ich habe sie angesehen und analysiert. Sie scheint sehr kritisch zu sein, da speziell gegen Prince Andrew und Bill Clinton scharf geschossen wird – aber schwingt da noch was mit im Subtext?
Lasst uns das erforschen!
Sehen wir uns gleich die Causa Bill Clinton an. Er flog nachweislich 26-mal mit dem Lolita-Express. Das hat er mittlerweile auch zugegeben – denn diese Häufigkeit ist durch die bekannten Flightlogs belegt. Dass er auf der sogenannten Orgien-Insel von Epstein war bestritt er jedoch vehement. Nun muss er auch hier zittern, denn in der Doku kommen Augenzeugen zu Wort. Sie sahen eindeutig Bill Clinton auf der Insel gemeinsam mit Epstein. In der Dokumentation gaben die Angestellten Epsteins, so wie auch die Opfer an, dass alle gewusst hätten, dass Epstein und seine Gäste hier strafbare Handlungen mit Minderjährigen betrieben. Vom Flughafenmitarbeiter bis zum persönlichen Fahrer.
Also wird es schwierig für Lolita-Express-Stammgast Bill Clinton der Öffentlichkeit weiszumachen, davon absolut nichts mitbekommen zu haben. Hier wird Clinton geopfert – das ist ziemlich gut ersichtlich.
Nun sehen wir uns Donald Trump an. Er sah Epstein, das letzte Mal vor 15 Jahren, lange vor irgendwelchen Anschuldigungen. Er flog 1997 einmal mit Epsteins Privatjet von Florida nach New Jersey.
Er nominiert Alexander Acosta, neun Jahre nachdem dieser den Sweetheart-Deal für Epstein möglich gemacht hatte zum Labour Secretary. Unmittelbar nach dem Wiederaufrollen des Epstein-Falls ist er von Trump sofort gegangen worden.
Der Übeltäter ist also offensichtlich Bill Clinton, aber irgendwie fühlt es sich nicht so eindeutig an.
Kann es sein, dass hier auf subtilem Wege noch was anderes kommuniziert wird, ohne dass man es richtig merkt?
Ich habe mal analysiert wie oft in jeder Folge der Name „Bill Clinton“ vorkommt und wie oft der Name „Donald Trump“.
Hier ist das Ergebnis.
Dafür dass, Clinton in dem Narrativ eindeutig als Bösewicht hervorgeht, wird Trump so nebenbei nahezu gleich oft genannt. Trump war niemals auf der Insel und flog einmal mit Epsteins Jet. Clinton war auf der Insel und flog 26-mal mit Epsteins Jet. Warum wird hier heimlich versucht Trump mit dem auserkorenen Bösewicht zu vergleichen?
Ich werde das nicht weiter bewerten, sondern es kann sich jeder selbst seine Meinung bilden. Ich gebe nur diesen Tipp: Wenn euch etwas in einer Geschichte eigenartig vorkommt, seht nach wer sie erzählt – auch wenn sie noch spannend ist.
Das vollständige Transkript von allen vier Episoden der Epstein-Doku von Netflix findet ihr auf Rabbit-Research.com. Auch alle Quellen findet ihr dort – der Link ist in der Beschreibung.
An dieser Stelle möchte ich mich herzlich bedanken für die zahlreichen Spenden von euch Rabbits. Nur mit eurer Hilfe lebt Rabbit Research weiter.
Vielen Dank und bleibt wachsam!
Euer Johannes von Rabbit Research
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